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Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 12:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A multitude of texts full of eisegesis and
devoid of exegesis proves nothing.
Patti
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 6:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I feel like today prophecy is being fulfilled right in front of my face:

Amos 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

I am so saddened at the direction this forum has taken. I will be praying for all of you.

May God ever reveal to us our helplessness to help ourselves and His all-sufficient salvation in Jesus Christ.
Patti
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 7:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is unscriptural to base one's faith on one's
feelings, but only -- as Martin Luther and the
other Reformers insisted -- on Scripture and
Scripture alone.
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 8:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

NIV Luke 6:46 "Why do you call me, `Lord,
Lord,' and do not do what I say?
47 I will show you what he is like who comes
to me and hears my words and puts them into
practice.
48 He is like a man building a house, who
dug down deep and laid the foundation on
rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck
that house but could not shake it, because it
was well built.
49 But the one who hears my words and does
not put them into practice is like a man who
built a house on the ground without a
foundation. The moment the torrent struck that
house, it collapsed and its destruction was
complete."
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 8:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Martin Luther used Scripture in
contradistinction to church councils, creeds,
learned instruction, human theories, or the
opinions of others as the litmus test for
determining belief:

" Unless I shall be convinced by the
testimonies of the Scriptures or by clear
reason [based on Scripture], . . . I neither can
nor will make any retraction, since it is neither
safe nor honorable to act against conscience;
God help me! Amen!"

Quoted in The New Schaff-Herzog
Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Vol. VII,
Under Luther, Martin.

And I do also.
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 8:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"When the attempt is made to reprove them
[Romanists] out of the Scriptures, they raise
the objection that the interpretation of the
Scriptures belongs to no one except the
pope."

Martin Luther, "The Three Walls of the
Romanists," An Open Letter to The Christian
Nobility of the German Nation Concerning the
Reform of the Christian Estate, 1520
by Martin Luther (1520) Introduction and
Translation by C. M. Jacobs. Works of Martin
Luther: With Introductions and Notes, Volume
II (Philadelphia: A. J. Holman Company,
1915).

http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/witten
berg/luther/web/nblty-03.html
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What's good enough for the Reformation,
therefore, is good enough for this humble web
site:

IF ONE IS GOING TO MAKE A POINT WHICH
DISAGREES WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S POINT
HERE, ONE MUST BE PREPARED TO BACK
IT UP AND, IF NECESSARY, PROVE IT WITH
SCRIPTURE ALONE.

Stated opinions and theories are fine, but as
far as FAF is concerned, Scripture alone is the
final arbiter of truth on this web site. No
exceptions.

Max of the Cross
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 8:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ps. Any good English translation is
acceptable. One does not need to know and
use Hebrew and/or Greek to prove a point. If
one does and can, however, so much the
better.

BUT DO NOT LET YOURSELF BE
INTIMIDATED IF YOU LACK OF KNOWLEDGE
OF THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGES.

Reason: The scholarship of the translators of
the original texts into English is sufficiently
reliable.
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 9:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pss. This FAF web site is not about winning. It
is not about political alliances, ganging up,
and piling on. "I agree with _____" or "You're
right, _______" are unacceptable substitutes
for your own study of Scripture and expression
of faith on FAFF.

May God bless each and every one of you,

Max of the Cross
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 9:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

NIV 1 Corinthians 1:10 I appeal to you,
brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus
Christ, that all of you agree with one another
so that there may be no divisions among you
and that you may be perfectly united in mind
and thought.
11 My brothers, some from Chloe's household
have informed me that there are quarrels
among you.
12 What I mean is this: One of you says, "I
follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos";
another, "I follow Cephas "; still another, "I
follow Christ."
13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for
you? Were you baptized into the name of
Paul?
14 I am thankful that I did not baptize any of
you except Crispus and Gaius,
15 so no one can say that you were baptized
into my name.
16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of
Stephanas; beyond that, I don't remember if I
baptized anyone else.)
17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but
to preach the gospel--not with words of
human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be
emptied of its power.
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 1:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If I talk with the tongues of men and even of
angels, but if I do not love people, then I am
only like the sound of a big horn or a loud bell.

If I speak words from God, if I can understand
all secrets, and know everything, if I can move
mountains by believing, but if I do not love
people, I am nothing, even though I can do all.

If I give away all I have, and if I give my body to
be burned, but if I do not love people, I get
nothing out of it.

Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous.
Love is not proud and does not boast.

Love does not do things that are not nice. Love
does not just think of itself. Love does not get
angry. Love holds no wrong feelings in the
heart.

Love is not glad when people do wrong
things. But it is always glad when they do right.

Love forgives everything. Love is always
trusting, and always hoping, and never gives
up.

Love never ends. The gift of speaking words
from God will end. The gift of speaking in
different tongues or languages will stop. The
gift of knowing many things will end.

Now we know only a little, and we can speak
only a little of God's words.

But when everything becomes perfect, that
part will come to an end.

When I was a child, I talked like a child. I
understood like a child. I thought like a child.
But when I became a man, I stopped doing
things like a child.

Now [things are] like looking in a looking-
glass which does not make things clear. We
cannot see and understand things plainly. But
when things become perfect, then we shall
fully know and understand everything, just as
God knows.

These three things will remain for ever. They
are faith, hope, and love. And love is the
greatest of them.

-- 1 Corinthians 13 (Worldwide English = WE)
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 2:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ìKnow that no one can have indulged in the
Holy Writers sufficiently, unless he has
governed churches for a hundred years with
the prophets, such as Elijah and Elisha, John
the Baptist, Christ and the apostles. Do not
assail this divine Aeneid; nay, rather prostrate
revere the ground that it treads. We are
beggars: this is true.î

Martin Luther, ìThe Last Written Words of
Luther: Holy Ponderings of the Reverend
Father Doctor Martin Luther,î 16 February
1546. _Dr. Martin Luther's Werke_, (Weimar:
Hermann Boehlaus Nachfolger, 1909), Band
85 (TR. 5), pp. 317-318. Translated by James
A. Kellerman
____________________________________
This text was translated in 1999 for Project
Wittenberg by James Kellerman and has
been placed in the public domain by him. You
may freely distribute,copy or print this text.
Please direct any comments or suggestions
to Rev. Robert E. Smith, Walther Library,
Concordia Theological Seminary. E-mail:
smithre@mail.ctsfw.edu. Surface Mail: 6600
N. Clinton St., Ft. Wayne, IN 46825 USA
Phone: (219) 452-3149 Fax: (219) 452-2126

http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/witten
berg/luther/beggars.txt

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Begin Maxís comment
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Please note well the good doctorís absolute
respect and reference for the primacy of
Scripture alone.î

On this web site ours should be no less
absolute. No Scripture should be permitted to
be trashed or considered ìoff limitsî or
unquotable simply because our friends the
Adventists also quote it.

The love of Christ Jesus to you all,

Max of the Cross
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 3:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

7 REASONS WHY SCRIPTURE REIGNS
SUPREME ON FAFF

1. Jesus used Scripture to prove his points.

NIV Matthew 22:29 ìJesus replied, "You are in
error because you do not know the [Old
Testament] Scriptures or the power of God.î

2. Jesus considered Scripture to be absolute
and inviolable.

NIV John 10:35Ý(Jesus speaking) ì[Old
Testament] Scripture cannot be broken."

3. Paul considered no Scripture unimportant,
something to be trashed, or not to be quoted.

NIV Romans 15:4ÝìFor everything that was
written in the past was written to teach us, so
that through endurance and the
encouragement of the [Old Testament]
Scriptures we might have hope."

4. Paul told Timothy to ìdevoteî himself to
Scripture.

NIV 1 Timothy 4:13ÝìUntil I come, devote
yourself [Timothy] to the public reading of [Old
Testament] Scripture, to preaching and to
teaching."

5. Paul told Timothy that Scripture could make
him ìwise for salvation.î

NIV 2 Timothy 3:15ÝìThe holy [Old Testament]
Scriptures ... are able to make you [Timothy]
wise for salvation through faith in Christ
Jesus...."

6. Again, Paul considered NO Scripture off
limits.

NIV 2 Timothy 3:16ÝìAll [Old Testament]
Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in
righteousness ...."

7. Peter warns that eisegesis -- reading into
Scripture oneís own theories, ideas, politics,
opinions or anything else -- leads to the
ìdestructionî of those who would dare to do
so.

NIV 2 Peter 3:16Ýì... ignorant and unstable
people distort ... [Old Testament] Scriptures, to
their own destruction.î

Therefore, on this web site Scripture and
Scripture alone settles all disagreements and
leads to all conclusions. No majority vote. No
political alliances. No factions. No FAFF
ìpope.î No FAFF ìEllen.î No exceptions.

God be with you all,

Max of the Cross
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 6:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JAMES THE AUTHOR OF JAMES

The author of the New Testament book of
James identifies himself as James (1:1),
and he was probably the brother of Jesus and
leader of the Jerusalem council (Acts 15).
Four men in the NT have this name. The
author of this letter could not have been the
apostle James, who died too early (AD 44) to
have written it. The other two men named
James had neither the stature nor the
influence that the writer of this letter had.

James was one of several brothers of Christ
and was probably the oldest since he heads
the list in Matthew 13:55. At first he did not
believe in Jesus and eevn challenged him
and misunderstood his mission (John 7:2-5).
Later he became very prominent in the church:

1. He was one of the select individuals Christ
appeared to after his resurrection (1
Corinthians 15:7).

2. Paul called him a "pillar" of the church
(Galatians 2:9).

3. Paul, on his first post-conversion visit to
Jerusalem, saw James (Galatians 1:19).

4. Paul saw James on his last visit (Acts
21:18).

5. When Peter was rescued from prison, he
told is friends to tell James (Acts 12:17).

6. James was a leader in the important
council of Jerusalem (Acts 15:13).

7. Jude could identify himself simply as "a
brother of James (Jude 1:1), so well known
was James.

8. James was MARTYRED about AD 62.

--From the NIV Introduction to the book of
James.

Max of the Cross
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 7:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WHAT MAKES JAMES SO SPECIAL?

Characteristics that make this letter distinctive
are:

1. It is unmistakably Jewish in nature.

2. It emphasizes vital Christianity
characterized by good deeds and a faith that
works: Genuine faith must and will be
accomanied by a consistent life-style.

3. It has a simple organization.

4. It closely adheres to Jesus' teachings in the
Sermon on the Mount. For examples,
compare:

(a) James 2:5 with Matthew 2:5.

(b) James 3:10-12 with Matthew 7:15-20.

(c) James 3:18 with Matthew 5:9.

(d) James 5:2-3 with Matthew 6:19-20.

(e) James 5:12 with Matthew 5:33-37.

5. It is similar to Old Testament wisdom
writings such as Proverbs.

6. Its Greek is excellent.

--From the NIV Introduction to the book of
James.

Max of the Cross
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 7:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WHAT ABOUT THE FAITH-CLAIMER WHO
REFUSES TO DO GOOD DEEDS?

NIV James 2:

14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man
claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can
such faith save him?
15 Suppose a brother or sister is without
clothes and daily food.
16 If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you
well; keep warm and well fed," but does
nothing about his physical needs, what good
is it?
17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not
accompanied by action, is dead.
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 7:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SHOW FAITH, SHOW DEEDS

NIV James 2:

18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I
have deeds." Show me your faith without
deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I
do.
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 7:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

DEMONS BELIEVE IN (HAVE INTELLECTUAL
KNOWLEDGE OF) GOD

NIV James 2:

19 You believe that there is one God. Good!
Even the demons believe that--and shudder.
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 7:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

NO DEEDS, USELESS FAITH

NIV James 2:

20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that
faith without deeds is useless?
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 7:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ABRAHAM'S WORKS COMPLETED HIS FAITH

NIV James 2:

21 Was not our ancestor Abraham considered
righteous for what he did when he offered his
son Isaac on the altar?
22 You see that his faith and his actions were
working together, and his faith was made
complete by what he did.
23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says,
"Abraham believed God, and it was credited to
him as righteousness," and he was called
God's friend.
Max
Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 7:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

GOOD WORKS ACCOMPANY HEART FAITH

24 You see that a person is justified by what
he does and not by faith alone.

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