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A couple of "whoa" moments occured this morning as I read Hebrew 1:3..."And when He had effected our cleansing from sin, He took His seat at the right hand of the Majesty on high". I know I have read this before because I marked it, but this morning it jumped out at me. Jesus is at the right hand of the Father. This is not the IJ as claimed by the church we left.
The other "whoa" moment occured when I read Heb 2:1-3. "We must therefore pay the more careful attention to what we have heard, so that we may not let ourselves drift from it. For if the message that was spoken through angels has held true, and every transgression and disobedience received its just retribution, HOW SHALL WE ESCAPE IF WE NEGLECT SO GREAT A SALVATION?"
The speaker at the Wednesday Exaltation meeting said that the worst thing one can do to love is to ignore it. That would be neglecting the salvation God has offered to me.
Susan, I like that SABRA toothed tiger bit. I sit here chuckling at that one.
Every day I am seeing how awesome our God is.
Diana
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Thanks, Susan, my name is Hebrew (mom didn't know that) means born in Israel or native of Israel. No Jewish ancenstors, my mom just heard it and liked it and it has caused me a lot of teasing, sabre toothed tiger is not the worst I've heard.

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Thanks Sabra, that's very interesting. It's consistent with what I've found so far, in terms of the layout of the camps and their meanings, and such. Revelation speaks to the four beasts around the throne praising, worshiping, and serving God, as well as the 24 elders, singing a new song.

Adding to that, consider that the Garden of Eden was an enclosure of luxury and pleasure. The word garden is derived from a word that means to defend, cover, surround. Eden is derived from a word that means to luxuriate, delight oneself. So, the garden was truly a place of delight and pleasure for Adam and Eve, a place surrounded, or covered, enclosed. When they sinned and were cast out, on the east side of the enclosed garden was placed the flaming sword and cherubim. The word east is derived from a word that means to meet, confront, to go before. Inside the enclosed garden was located the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil, not to mention the presence of God. The flaming sword and the cherubim prevented access, through the east side, to the garden and the tree of life. So there was no earthly hope of them living forever as they would have to pass through the flaming sword and cherubim. The east side was the point of meeting, confronting the flaming sword and angelic beings. We know that Cain and Abel came to offer before the Lord, I believe this was the place they came to make their offerings. Abelís was accepted because it was a blood offering, Cainís was not. Itís interesting that thereís no mention of Adam ever making offerings to God. After the flood, altars where built and burnt offerings were made where ever the Lord made His presence and name known to man, Noah, Abraham, Jacob.

Compare that with the Sanctuary, its service and layout. The altar of burnt offering was located on the east side. No one was allowed to enter the sanctuary except Godís appointed representative, the priest. The sanctuary contained many luxurious items, altar of incense, the lamp stand, the Ark of the Covenant (the law of sin and death ñ knowledge of good and evil), the mercy seat (the law of grace - tree of life), the cherubim and especially the presence of God (glory). Now, surrounding the sanctuary was the encampment layout with its standards and symbols that Sabra provided. To me, of special interest is the east camp of the tribe of Judah, the tribe from which Christ our high priest came.

If you look further into the layout of the camps you find that inside these camps was positioned the Levites and the priests. Moses, Aaron and the other priests camped directly to the east of the sanctuary, between it and the tribe of Judah. The Levites were encamped on the remaining three sides between the other tribes and the sanctuary.

So you have the Garden of Eden (enclosure of luxury) protected on the east side by a flaming sword and angelic beings that act as intermediaries for God protecting access to the tree of life which enables one to live forever. Later Abraham brings Isaac to this spot and offers him up to God. And still later, in the same spot, you have Solomonís Temple (enclosure of luxury) with an altar of burnt offerings on the east side and its intermediaries (priests) for God. In addition, this is surrounded by another enclosure, the wall of Jerusalem, with a gate on the east side that is referred to in Christian literature as Golden Gate, in Arabic it is known as the Eternal Gate, and the Jews refer to it as the Gate of Mercy. The Jews believe that this gate, which exists as the oldest of the current gates, is the gate through which the Messiah will enter Jerusalem. Too bad they already missed it. Whatís interesting is that the Muslims had this gate sealed off in 1541 supposedly to prevent the Messiahís entrance. They also built a cemetery in front of the gate, believing the Messiah would not pass through it because it would make him impure. So, you have this unwitting symbol of death that lies outside the sealed Eternal Gate of Mercy through which our Savior has passed. This gate is located in the middle of the eastern side of the Temple Mount.

The tribe of Judah encamped directly to the east of the priests and it is from this tribe that the Messiah came and entered Jerusalem. His word is like a flaming sword and we must enter the kingdom of heaven through Jesus Christ. We must die to ourselves and be reborn as priests serving God. Revelation describes this spiritual heavenly kingdom.

For me thatís qualifies as a big WHOA!

Doug
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Sabra and Doug, that¥s new and interesting to me. Thanks for sharing!

Talking about Israel and it¥s converting after all pagans number is full. Somewhere in OT there¥s mentioned a burnt offering, a 3 years old heifer which is totally red (or chestnut?). Some hold it that when that kind of heifer is found the jews can began to offer again properly and the temple will be rebuilt for that occasion.

Jews has waited for it all this long and few years ago they announced that it¥s found. But when rabbis examined it they found 3 white hair and that was that.

Few days ago I noticed a news bulletin that now it is really found. That calf is perfect, no white hair, no flaws. The calf was born in 2002 so it will be 3 yrs next year.

Let¥s see will the temple be built again. I remember Bible says something about temple rebuilt and end times. Does anybody remember what?

Tuija
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Hallanvaara,
I believe the three year old red heifer is yet another symbol for Israel pointing them to Jesus Christ. It was given as part of the law which we now understand to be a shadow of things to come, namely Christ. The red color is mentioned only one time in Numbers 19:2. Reference is made to a three year old heifer (which could refer to its fatness) in Genesis 15:9 as part of the vision given to Abraham, also pointing to Christ. The fatness or fullness could represent the fulness or completeness Christ's ministry, He did say on the cross "it is finished". Personally, I see no meaning of this heifer beyond its intended purpose of a shadow pointing Israel to Jesus Christ, the substance.

In Revelation 19:13 the Word of God is clothed with a vesture dipped in blood. This could be a reference to the redness of the heifer. The hebrew word red (0122, adom) in Numbers 19:2 comes from a word that means red, ruddy (of man, horse, garment) and this word is derived from the hebrew word adam(0119)(red, to be red), from which comes the hebrew word adam (0120) referring to man or mankind.

IMHO, If the Jews are truly converted to Christianity, then they will have no desire or need to rebuild the temple since they should understand its meaning. We are the temple in whom God dwells. Any effort to rebuild the temple and reinstitute the services there will come from unconverted souls who know not the spiritual reality of Jesus Christ living in us. Just my opinion.

Doug
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Doug, I agree with you re: the temple. Those who are born again and washed in Christ's blood are the temple. Jesus proclaimed Himself to be "greater than the temple" that was standing in Jerusalem.

As an Adventist I was erroneously taught that Israel (as a people) would never be a signficant issue again. (After all, Adventists replaced Israel as God's TRUE remnant people!) I'm now quite convinced that idea is false; but I do believe that the way it will all play out is hidden from us. Many Christians are looking for that temple to be rebuilt and even for sacrifices to recommense. Perhaps--but if such should happen, it will have to be done by "unconverted souls who know not the spiritual reality of Jesus Christ living in us," as you said!

Colleen
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Doug and Colleen, I fully understand that what you said and know those things.

My point were about the signs of the times. Jews are still waiting for Messiah and they still offer. That red heifer is something special they¥ve waited for ages. Paul said something about "numbers of pagans being full and then Israel will repent". Whole Romans 11. is talking about Israel as nation will be saved because they were chosen ones. That¥s said quite clearly but am I wrong?

Some think that when they build the temple and begin offer again as a nation something crucial will happen.
I just can¥t find right now the artcile which I read some days ago. It has interesting views about it.

Tuija
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Tuija,
A great deal of Christians believe Jesus will not return until the nation of Israel believes in Jesus. Their source for this belief is the Old Testament prophets. Many of the prophets were giving the Israelites God's message of discipline for their time and a great many of them seemed to be prophecizing last day events that say Jesus will return after Israel as a nation is once again following God - which would mean believing in Jesus.

I have had a difficult time with this. I am not sure if it is due to my SDA background teaching me that Israel rejected Jesus and SDA in now the promised "Israel" or what specifically (old baggage is so difficult to sort through sometimes). I know Paul (in Galatians chapter 3) was clear that all believers in Jesus Christ are now part of God's promise to Abraham.

I took an "Israel and the Minor Prophets" Bible study last year. I did not think I would like it but it was excellent. In going through those difficult, hard to understand books (Joel, Amos, Obediah, Nahum...) it becomes clear that those people in Israel lived very much the way I was raised in the SDA church. A great many of the prophets talked about God's great displeasure in religious hypocrites who lived their lives as though they are pleasing to God and they did not even know God. They failed to realize that religious rituals alone could never take the place of a true relationship with God. Even back then God wanted them to love Him, to serve Him, to recieve all His blessings and make Him the center of their lives. Instead, they refused His fatherly love.

Anyway...that's about all I know on the subject...does anyone have any further thoughts for Tuija and myself?
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Tuija, I think your assessment of Romans 11 is correct. It is clear that Paul is speaking about a future time when Israel will recognize Christ as messiah. How that happens, I don't know obviously because scripture doesn't say, but it is clear that God is using the gentile conversion to make Israel jealous. God's call is irrevocable and I can't personally believe God no longer cares about Israel. I absolutely do NOT believe SDAs have replaced Israel. That isn't scriptural either. How exactly all the events play out is anyone's guess, but I have pastors I've learned from who are acquainted with rabbi's in jerusalem. He says they are actively seeking the red hefer and it is their goal to be able to restart their sacrificial system one day. Unlike what apparently some teach, however, he does not believe that those sacrifices will be beneficial in place of Christ, but he does believe it is in God's big picture plan somehow. (I trust ministers who don't know it all a lot more than ones that claim they do.) There are other threads on here that go into some depth about Romans 9-11. I remember a long exchange with a poster named Mr.Karl. But I don't remember the topic name. Hope that helps.
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Melissa, you said what I also think. We just don't know how it will happen, but God's call on Israel is irrevocable. That doesn't mean all Jews will be saved because they're "Israel". Israel, we know now, are those who believe in Jesus and accept His salvation by faith. Romans 9-11, though, suggest that there will be a time that Israel's (Jew's) hearts will be softened toward the gospel to a degree they haven't been during the proliferation of the Gentile church. We know that the church (the Israel of God--those who are born again) is both Jew and Gentile, and that in Christ those distinctions are moot points.

It's veiled in mystery, but we know enough that we can be quite sure something is/will happen. At least that's how it looks tome right now.

Colleen
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Tuija,
I went back and reread Romans 11. Here's my short (sort of) take on it. Paul refers to Elijah and his fear of being the only one in Israel who remained faithful. In Elijah's time, Israel was a divided kingdom. There were two kings, two forms of government, as you will. One for Israel and one for Judah. Elijah was living in the northern kingdom. So when he was lamenting over his plight was he speaking of just Israel or both Israel and Judah? Not sure. King Asa was king of Judah at the time and the bible says that he did right in the eyes of the Lord. So I suspect Elijah was referring to just the northern kingdom of Israel. I guess my point is that I don't necessarily think he was speaking for the entire nation of Israel as a theocratic, governmental, political entity but rather the individuals who together are called Israel. It appeared from the actions of the leaders of the northern kingdom (King Ahab and Jezebel) that Israel as a whole was pagan. God reminded Elijah that there were 7,000 individuals who had remained loyal to Him. Elijah didn't even know they existed. It wasn't apparent to him because he couldn't see them, but God knew them because he knew their hearts.

Now, bring that into Romans 11 and Paul says that the individuals that make up the nation of Israel, will be grafted back into the tree. They obviously will become believers in Jesus Christ because their hearts will be changed, just as we are seeing that happen today. I don't believe Paul is referring to the political nation of Israel here but rather individual Jews who accept Jesus Christ as their messiah. They are beloved because they are from his chosen people. But since the wall of division has been removed between Gentiles and Jews there is no difference between us in the eyes of God.

I don't believe the "nation" of Israel, as it exists today as a political institution will wholeheartedly accept Jesus Christ as their messiah. I've read comments from Jewish rabbis that indicate they firmly believe that Jesus Christ did not fulfill all the requirements to be their messiah. One of the requirements is that he is not God but just a natural man.

I do however believe something big will happen over there,what ever it is. If it has to do with a red heifer and sacrifices and trying to combine that with belief in Jesus Christ I'd run from it.

Doug
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Sorry I haven't been able to post for a few days. We are moving back to Chattanooga!!!! God did it all and waited until the last possible minute to pull all of the pieces together so iit would be no mistaking that it was Him!

My house rented out for more than the mortgage, and the lady wants to buy it! we got an apartment next door to the schools that my girls went to when we were there last year, in the same neighborhood, just 6 miles from church! (we just got a 6 mo. lease to give us time to look for something to buy.)

God is good and on time. Sometimes I just wanna grab Him and kiss Him!

As for the topic: I don't have time to look up scripture, sorry, but I believe from scripture that we can see Israel returning to Christ during the millenium. If they were coverted before His return they wouldn't weep and mourn at His return and "see Him whom they pierced" and we wouldn't have the temple open on Sabbath and feast days and we wouldn't have the babies not dying at a young age and the 100 year old man that dies accursed for dying so young.

All of that is in Isaiah, and I'm sorry I'm not sure where (50's or 60's?)

It appears to me that indeed the temple must be rebuilt for the AC to stand in it and defile it and the red heifer is very significant since they need one to resume sacrifices and it says that the sacrifices will cease at the demand of the AC. (there aren't any now)

From what I understand. The wall must come down and Israel is the only land in the 21st century, an age of airplanes, that has a wall for security purposes. We are asking Sharon now to take the wall down, he is refusing.

I think the AC will show up, make a peace plan with Israel, they will tear down the wall and "live in unwalled cities" feeling secure, able to rebuild the temple, resume sacrifices, then it will all go sour, Israel will be all but annialated and Jesus will show up to save them.

Now, I'm not sure "save" there means salvation, in the greek it is broken down as saving from harm, rescuing, etc. Just like He bailed them out in the past everytime their enemies came against them, didn't mean He saved their souls. I think here it may mean that All Israel will be saved from destruction.

Then He comes, they see Him whom they pierced and weep and mourn and repent, He sets up His millinial reign as King and we govern over them and over the world according to our rewards.

(talents/cities)

I think during the 1000 year reign there will be souls being saved, people dying and giving birth, a new world but not perfect until the 1000 years is over.

Concerning the red heifer. She has been found and guarded because the Muslims want her dead. That should tell you something. Also, the blue dye that was used to make the tassels on the prayer shawls comes only from a certain type of snail which was extinct for the past 2000 years and has just started washing up on the shores of Israel in the past couple of years. Now they can make the tassels again.

I love studying Israel, there is so much going on there I could type for days. The desert is actually "blossoming as a rose" they have discovered underground streams in the desert and are using them to irrigate the desert and growing tree farms and fish farms right in the desert! I have a video tape of it that shows them.

the strange prophecy about men lining the banks of the salt sea to fish is now possible because the salt is being healed from the dead sea, that is a prophecy too. The dead sea is separating into two seas and the southern part is clean water and there is a fish farm there!

Also, the glory of Carmel, talks of food being distributed to other lands from Israel (impossible before because the land was all desert) Now ther is a packing company called Carmel that exports fruits all over the world!

It's all moving along so quickly!

Sabra
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Sabra, I am so glad God answered your prayers about moving. He is so awesome.
Diana
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Sabra, thank you for sharing your wonderful news! God is faithful!

Colleen
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Thank you all so much for your prayers!
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Sabra,
May God be with you as you move, I know they can be stressful even when they ARE an answer to prayer. (I have moved over 30 times in my life.)
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Sabra, where do you attend church in the Chattanooga area? My kids live not too far away. I'm here temporarily too.

Praise God...
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I had a "whoa" moment this morning that I want to share. I was reading Heb 10:19,20 - "Since, therefore, we have conficence, brothers, to ENTER THE HOLIEST THROUGH JESUS' BLOOD BY A NEW AND LIVING WAY, SO RECENTLY MADE FOR US THROUGH THE VEIL, THAT IS, HIS FLESH...
Because Jesus died for us, we can enter the Holiest. That is not what the IJ says from what I understand. But then the IJ is not Biblical. I know there are other texts in the Bible that talk about Jesus sitting on the right side of God.
But this really struck me because it says we can enter the Holiest because Jesus died for us.
I studied all SDA doctrine going from 1st grade through SDA university, but when it came to the doctrine it seemed so complicated that I studied for the tests, got good grades and then promptly forgot it.
Another "whoa" moment hit me today. God had me marry the man I did because it made it easier for me to leave the SDA church. I do not like recognizing this because I have always felt that divorce is wrong and God could not possibly want that for me. If I had married the type of man I thought I wanted, a dyed in the wool SDA conservative, I just might still be an SDA. So, I am glad that God was in charge all this time and that things happened the way they did. "All things work together for good to them who love God" And God has made it work out good for me.
He is truly awesome, the more I learn about Him.
Diana
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Amen, Diana. Over and over I have to praise God for wasting nothing in my life and for redeeming everything I submit to Him. Our lives are in His care; He knows exactly what we must experience in order to face our deep sinfulness and to realize our need of Jesus. Although I would never repeat many things in my life if I had a chance, yet still I have to praise Him for bringing me to Himself in a way that showed me the truth about myself and the truth about Him.

Praise Him!

Colleen
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Colleen,
Since accepting Jesus I see more and more how God has worked in my life even when I was going through something I did not like, like the divorce. Like you I would not like to repeat my life, given the opportunity. Now I know God was in charge, just waiting for me to acknowledge Him.
I like the way you express it-"Wasting nothing in my life and for redeeming everthing I submit to Him".
He is an awesome, magnificent God.
Diana
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I had a "whoa" moment this week. It wasn't about a piece of Scripture, but about a realization of what God is doing in my life.

I was listening to a group of CHristians talk about what kind of life they want to have, where they want to live, how many kids they want, when they want to retire etc. And I realized that I literally had no strong desire for where I live even five years from now, what my retirement years are spent doing, and especially how many children I want to have. MY "whoa" moment was my realization that though I have a small amount of personal preference, my overwhelming desire is to simply let GOd use me for His purpose, whatever that my be, for the remainder of my life.
(I used to think I would never have more than 2 kids. Then I considered having four, but wondered what kind of "imposition" that would be on my life. I have 2 young sons now, and just lately got has led us to adopt, so we are in that process. And I think that we will probably end up with 4 children, but i also realize that if God asks us to adopt more, that would be ok too. )
I just want, more than anything, to let God work through me. I want to be in His service, as much as a foreign missionary is. I want to be invested in growing His Kingdom and ideas, not my own.
The "whoa" moment was that my commitment to serve Him has gone from being a scary leap of faith, to being a leap of faith that I actually strongly desire over my own way! For that to happen to me, such a selfish person, proves His power to change hearts and dwell in people.

By no means does this mean that following Him is easy, or any less scary, but now it is exciting too, and my heart is captured. May I let it remain captured every day and every moment!
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Tealeaves,
Isn't is beautiful when you give yourself to God that way. I am sure God will use you and your heart felt desire to serve Him. He is faithful and will care for you.
I told God before I moved to Nevada and since being here, what ever you want, just lead the way.
And this was while I was still associated with the SDA church.
I do not worry about retirement or money because God has shown me He will care for me. It is exciting to see what He will do and does.
He is an awesome God.
Diana
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Tanya, thank you for sharing your insight into how your heart has changed. God IS using you, and the amazing and wonderful thng is that your husband and you are on the same page now!

I am still in amazement at how God literally provides for us when our desire is to obey Him. We truly do not have to stock barns or lay up treasure, and Jesus' parables and allegories taught. When He leads, He also provides. His gifts to us are so individual, and He care is completely consistent. It's our trust that needs to grow and deepen.

He IS awesome, as Diana always says!

Colleen
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Sorry, Praisegod, I was off line a few days and just saw your question, I don't know if I can catch up on this whole board or not!

I am a member of Central Baptist in Hixson. I have to say it's the best church in the world. (tee hee) It's not traditional Baptist, not even really Baptist, but we are building on and the new name will be Abba's House.

Please let me know if you can come. I'd love to meet you! I know you will feel welcome. Carol came with me once and liked it,

(Right Carol, where are you girl?? Haven't heard from you!)

It's on Hixson Pike right off of 153. Hope you come! Is your daughter SDA? My SDA mom even liked it, now go figure! It's gotta be blessed.

Tealeaves,

Thanks for the wishes on the move, it was HORRIBLE, but it is over now. I mean everything went wrong and I was so exhausted I thought I would die. We ended up making 3 trips (3xhours each way = 15 hours of driving in 2 days!! Plus loading and unloading and cleaning my house so my tenant could move in and then her check was NO GOOD and she ended up giving me partial payment.

Bless God, I'm taken care of and like that story Diana sent me, if I had listened to God in the first place, I could have saved myself a lot of trouble. I kept hearing that in my head. Still, God got me through. I prayed the whole last trip just to make it, which I did at 3 am.

It's all over now. I'm sitting home, kids at school, my 4 year old is here, we are just so blessed!

Tonya,

So happy for you. blessings and prayers,

Love ya'll!
Sabra
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Sabra,
I am so glad you are all moved and settled. God does take care of us because we are His. I like that. We are God's children.
He is awesome.
Diana
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Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 5:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, Sabra. I donít believe I will be able to make it this Sunday since Iím actually outside Cleveland.. Perhaps another time Iím here since Iím flying home on next Tuesday.

My daughter and son-in-law are both ìformers.î Although they arenít on this list, they have lived what weíve lived and I often mention stories to them and things Iíve learned from all of you.

Today I was talking to a friend of theirs with whom Iíve become acquainted. Sheís also a ìformerî and a nurse at a Chattanooga hospital. Because of her engaging personality, the Holy Spirit really seems to be using her to reach non practicing SDAs and SDAs who are really starting to question. She was giving me stories much like what Tealeaves was reporting with her husbandís academy friends.

It seems God is doing a great stirring within Adventism for all those who are truly seeking to follow him regardless of preconceived ideas.

Praise God...
Sabra
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Username: Sabra

Post Number: 158
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 7:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Praise God,

I do agree God is definately stirring up all that are seeking. My brother in law was raised Catholic and not really resembling any sort of christian and I just can't believe what the Lord has done with him! It's awesome!

Have a safe flight back home, maybe next time you could come and if your kids don't have a church home, send 'em on down. It's only a 20-30 min. drive from Cleveland. Perry Stone is up there though and he is great too.

I can't wait for Sunday to get here, I missed last week since I drug in at 3 am Sunday Morning and felt like I'd been beat and couldnt' find clothes if my life depended on it.

I'm so exited, Awanas starts back Wed. and choir and Tues. women's bible study and my husband is doing so great with this job it looks like I wont have to work. Still, I wonder where I'd be if I didn't take that trip in the wilderness for the past 9 months. Oh well.

Sabra

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