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| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 20 Registered: 3-2005 |
Melissa, Thanks for asking. Riverfonz is the official name for my 60 pound black standard poodle, that is right as I type this playing with his squeak toys at my feet. We have a second home on the Colorado river, and that is how he got his name. Stan | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 21 Registered: 3-2005 |
By the way, since this thread is named More on Coffee, I like my coffee black, just like my standard Poodle! Stan | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 157 Registered: 10-2000 |
Dennis, Isn't it just amazing how much we're told how good soy and tofu products are for our health? And even though soy and tofu products have been around for many years, in the 70's the push was very much accelerated to sell these products as "healthy." I don't know if you ever saw the movie "Soylent Green," but if you haven't, it stars Edgar G. Robinson and Charleton Heston. It came out in the 70's. In it the world becomes so bad that the food supply is very short and 'soylent' breads, wafers and many other items are the mainstay of the World's food. The title "Soylent Green" came from three words, namely 'Soy' and 'Lentels.' The "Green" part of the title was mostly due to the color from seaweed mixed with Soy and Lentels, rather than from the Lentels themselves. Back in the 70's, this movie was made because it was believed (we are told in the movie reviews) that long before year 2000, this scenerio of food shortages would become a reality. The movie is one of my favorite classics and I have it on tape. In the movie however, it takes a strange turn that I won't reveal for anyone else that may want to watch this great classic. In the beginning of the movie it shows, in black and white, how simple life was at one time (before cars, factories et-cetera) and then it shows us a real fast buildup of the car industry, the traffic, the factories with their black smoke coming out of the long chimneys into the air, the population, the fast pace of everything and everyone, crime and much that's happened in our reality through the 20th and now 21st Century. This is one movie I find myself watching over and over due to it's reality in our world. Only the very 'elite of elite,' usually government officials, can get their hands on a peace of meat or other items of luxury in this movie. The little people, such as all of us on this forum are stuck with "Soylent Green" "Soylent Yellow" and "Soylent red." Mostly crackers and buns that are sold to us once a week, in limited quantities, for our weekly supply of food and water. In this movie we also have to stand outside in lines to get our ration for the week. In the heat and alot of pollution. It's a great movie and as I've said, one that has kept me captivated since it came out and I taped it in the 80's. This is not one of my official movie reviews so excuse the typos, grammer problems and a poor explanation of this movie. I would tell anyone here though, that if you can get your hands on this movie, do so. It's one of those keepers. Movie watchers are also advised by me that if you are offended by cursing, this movie will offend you in 2-3 places. But then again, if you are that offended by cursing, I'd also suggest you stay indoors and never again watch television. Not that I advocate cursing of course but just naming the terrible truth of this wicked world. That movie was Robinson's last movie as he died shortly after the film was made. In the movie, he's plays a Jewish character who helps Heston (I just drew a blank on his character name), a policeman, investigate murders. Mr. Robinson known as Mr. Roth in the movie laments the good days where meat, eggs, apples, vegetables and water were all available with ease. He also, on many occassions, is found to be telling Heston what the world 'used' to be like and apparently he's told it so many times to Heston that Heston even recites the words that Mr. Roth was about to say, before Roth can get them out of his mouth. Part of those 'good old days' that Robinson is reciting to Heston also depicts a land where there was a tree, a flower, beautiful wild animals and forests. Of course in the movie Heston doesn't believe any of it as he's never seen such a thing but has tolerance and love for the aging Mr. Roth so he occassionly will listen to the memoirs of saddened aged man. In the movie also, much like today's world is very much heading, over-population not only makes euthanesia look good but there are suicide hospitals that one can go to leave this ugly world. Infact, in the movie, the aged are 'expected' to go to these hospitals. The settings in the hospitals are very peaceful and you are asked things such as what is your favorite color, what type of music you'd prefer to hear while on your 'way out' and what sort of scene you like to watch on a giant screen as the poison they put into your vein takes approximately 20 minutes to take affect and it depicts a very peaceful death. Everything is very sterile looking and the attendants that walk you into your 'viewing' room are dressed in long white robes and very pleasant and respectful. Charleton Heston was raised in the environment the movie depicts wherein Robinson's character is old enough to remember the good old days of ample. Years after it's orginal showing, it came on television and I just had to tape it as to me it was and still is the way our world is at now in some respects and is heading in other respects. Well, enough on the movie... In my upbringing, we were vegetarians with occassional usage of meat for Passover (Lamb of course). My mother had a giant goiter that made her neck look very large and surgery was needed. However, following the advice of the Church, it was also forbidden to see Doctors let alone take medicines. She died at age 28 from a drunk driver just 4 months after my father, age 34 died of lung cancer. He also was forbidden to see a Doctor or take medicines. It was left upon this 10 year olds head to save my father with herbs and such at home. After 10 months of watching my father waste away to nothing and die, I lost a great amount of faith in God but never forgot about this Jesus Man that would come down from Heaven to save us all. My father discovered the Gospel while dying and the pictures, to this little girl then, of some God named Jesus coming back forever stayed in my head. My father went to great lengths to depict how the world would be when He comes again and those images that I had as a 9-10 year old little girl, have never left. Even as this is being typed, my eyes water and a great smile is upon my face. A smile of excitement and great expectation! Okay, I'm scattered in this post as all can see so back to Soy vs Meat. I ended up eating meat throughout the years after I turned 15 or so and in late 1999 became vegetarian once again. Due to the lack of Synagogues in my area, the SDA Church kept the Sabbath as I was raised to do. Thus to the SDA Church once again became my way of life. As a child we went to the SDA, the Synagogue, and the WWCG. So it was only natural for me to find one that kept the Sabbath and the SDA Church was the only one I found in my area that did. Being an epileptic nobody told me that the vegetarian diet would gravely affect my Epilepsy. This I found out the hard way as my seizures were out of control (Grand Mal). Finally, after over a year, I figured out the connections between my seizures and the lack of meat products. This was verified by researchers and Doctors so now I eat meat. Not only because I have to but because for me it's enjoyable food and when I haven't eaten meat for a few days, my body screams for it with cravings along with the seizures taking place as well. This woman is a firm believer that Soy is bad for consumption and causes so many problems that it's a sin to advocate the stuff. This includes the guilt of our Federal Government. They do this with Fluoride also. It's a poison that's in our drinking water, toothpastes and many other products. The Government had a problem trying to find a way to get rid of this poison from our weapons chemical waste and what better way to dispose of it than in our water to every home in America. Now we see children's teeth rotting at an alarming rate. Fluoride too, is sold under the banner of being 'good for you.' Crazy world. I'll be most happy to see Jesus Come back and am awaiting with great expectation! That is where my hope centers and that is what keeps me sane! May God Bless you and your household. Denise P.S. It's good to see a picture with your name. Completely different than what I had imagined by the way. It will be a great day when we meet face to face Dennis. | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 216 Registered: 7-2004  |
Jeremy, Yes, I'm pretty sure my mom got her info from Howard Lyman. She watches 3ABN a lot. My dad had both Alzheimers and Parkinsons. What I thought was really weird, is the fact that several (I think 4) other SDA people died of Alzheimers all from the same community I grew up in. That community wasn't particularly big, and at first I thought maybe there was a drinking water connection, because I don't know of anyone in our current large SDA community that had Alzheimers. Now I'm realizing that the people in the small community I grew up in are a lot more strict about adhering to EGW's dietary counsel, compared to the large SDA community I'm currently in where vegetarians are a minority. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 786 Registered: 7-2003  |
Denise, we had to watch Soylent Green in high school, I think. I hated it. It scared me and I thought it was an awful movie. It's funny how people can have such different takes on the same thing. I'm so sorry you lost your parents so young. That must have been quite traumatic. I have a friend at work who has grand mal seisures. He gave me a lot of comfort when I talked to him about the couple my daughter had. Anyway, interesting post, even if that movie still gives me "the creeps."  | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 334 Registered: 4-2000  |
Denise, Thanks for sharing your personal experiences about a meatless diet. When my wife was pregnant with our third child, she awoke on morning with her face pulled to one side. She immediately went to see our doctor that diagnosed her with Bell's Palsy. He gave her a B12 injection and some facial exercises to do. We were lacto-ovo-vegetarians and with her pregnancy vitamin B12 was very deficient in her body. My wife also has suffered from type 2 diabetes for more than twenty years. With the added starch from a typical SDA diet, she feels that her diabetes started many years earlier than it would have otherwise. I sometimes tell her that the Adventists will kill us yet. Dennis J. Fischer | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 415 Registered: 10-2004  |
I think one of the reasons EGW had her "health reform message" may have been so that her devotees would have nutritional deficiencies and not be able to reason or think very well, so they couldn't realize she was a false prophet! (Unless the Holy Spirit intervenes of course.) Of course, she may not have realized this herself, but her "handsome young man"/spirit guide, etc., may have. Jeremy | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 168 Registered: 10-2000 |
Melissa, You 'scaredy cat!' lol, but you are right about two completely different opinions about the same movie. And it's good that the Lord put someone into your life to help you understand seizures. Our Lord is so good to us! Still, have another stab at "Soylent Green." Ah com'on! Scaredy cat Love you in Christ Jesus. denise | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 169 Registered: 10-2000 |
Dennis, Wow, you and your wife have been through the mill (play on words intended) with soy products, haven't you. Well, I'm with you in your statement to your wife about the SDA church! May God grant you both long length of days with a good BM daily (it really is healthy!), in Jesus Name, this is my prayer for you both. Amen. denise | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 170 Registered: 10-2000 |
Jeremy, Just wanted to say thank you for the chuckle. Denise | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 171 Registered: 10-2000 |
A line out of Stan's post in part that had me chuckle also: "........ I like my coffee black, just like my standard Poodle! Stan" You meant "standard 'Noodle'" right? If not Stan, it just seems to me we would never get along cause first we don't agree politically and now we can't even agree on what type of dog is best to eat! | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 26 Registered: 3-2005 |
Denise, My Standard Poodle is black, and since the name of this thread is More on Coffee, I also like my coffee black. Melissa had asked where I got the name Riverfonz. That is the official name for our dog we call Fonzie. We also have a vacation home on the Colorado river,and that is how he was named. Appreciate your comment. Stan | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1652 Registered: 11-2002 |
Denise, I also was shuffled back and forth as a kid between the various Sabbath-keeping churches. It's just too weird for a kjid to have to go through. Even tho the SDA and the WCG both had the same teaching on the Sabbath and the state of the dead almost every other teaching was different between those two denominations. It just always knocked me for a loop that the WGC people would bring their booze to church with them and then after the service while they'd socialize they'd drink so very much alcohol. And, then they wouldn't let their members go to a doctor. One time when I was a child my dad had heard of a Seventh-day Penticostal church up in the hills. So one Saturday we drove to visit that church. I guess it was a bit too spirited (good play on words, don't you think?) for my parents because we never went back a second time. I was taught that Jews are more right with God than Sunday-keeping Christians because they observe the Sabbath and that Hindus are more right with God than most Christians because they aren't violating themselves with the unclean meats. Somehow Jesus just doesn't even enter into the discussion about religion with the people I know and love. Frankly, I think it's totally warped and in my heart I am much more at peace with having given myself to Jesus than a day of the week or reading every food lable. Now about movies. My most favorite movie of alltime is Amazon Women On The Moon. You can order the movie if you want to purchase it or you might have to go to rent it at the cultmovie stores. Most regular movie rental movie rental stores don't carry it. Carry Fisher stars in it. This was way back before Star Wars. I'll let you all in on a little secret. After you think the movie is over, it ain't. Let it go through the credits, and they just seem to last forever and the the best part of the movie comes on the screen. It's just got to be the best movie ever produced. | ||
| Madelia Registered user Username: Madelia Post Number: 134 Registered: 2-2003 |
Jeremy, I agree with your comment about the nutritional deficiences and lack of ability to think clearly! I was talking with an dietitian friend about my husband and how over the 11 years we've been married he's gotten more and more fanatical about the church and about diet. When we were dating and first married he'd eat poultry and fish and even an occasional McDonald's hamburger and fries. Now it's almost all fruits, rice and vegetables and the soy products. In the past 2 years he's had 3 speeding tickets and 3 car-deer accidents plus backing into my car with the truck. My friend says she thinks his brain is affected by his lack of nutrition. The more I think about it, I think sh'es right | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1662 Registered: 11-2002 |
I am asking for prayer for my sda mom who is nearly 84 and for my patience and kindness with her. She lost a lot of bone mass from a tumor that was zapping her calcium from her bones. She had the tumor removed and she has a good calcuim level now. However, the permant damage that was done is not able to cure itself. Greater damage will not occur though. However, occassionally because her bones have lost so much calcuim her back and/or legs will cause her extreme pain. Total, complete agony. It is alkways the same and I just don't understand her thinking. Today I went to her house and she's on her couch just crying tears from the great pain she is endouring. A normal dose of Tylenol is two pills. One pill of regular strength Tylenol will completely take away my moms pain for around 4 hours. I say to her, "Take a Tylenol, Mom." I get told off that pain medicine does not cure anything, it only makes the symptoms go away and she's not going to put drugs into her body that won't cure the problem. Besides, she read that Tylenol causes liver damge. I told her to read the insert in the Tylenol. It says to not exceed the recommened doseage for over two weeks at a time. She won't take even a Tylenol! But, she'll sit there crying. Colporter over on Pastor O'Fills site would be really super impressed! She measures out all her food and drinks. She takes probably 30 different vitamins per day. I think she wants smpothy from me and my children but she gets none. We just tell her, "Well, you know you could get rid of your pain and you are refusing to do it so if you want to be in misery then I guess you can." And, we leave her alone, crying. Still, it breaks my heart to see my own mother be in such needless pain and agony. Please pray about this. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1572 Registered: 12-2003  |
Susan, I believe her attitude about pain meds is part of a conservative Adventist mindset. My MIL, as I mentioned in the prayer thread, has the same idea, and I know Richard was raised to think that pain med just "masked" the pain so you really didn't know what was going on with your body. It took my ICU nurse-sister explaining the cascade of debilitating physiological reactions caused by unrelieved pain for Richard to begin to understand why pain meds were really OK. As the years passed, he also had some doctors recommend anti-inflammatories for problems like tennis elbow and a ruptured disc, etc., and he is now a believer. I believe the huge resistance to pain meds is in the same package with maintaining righteousness by not eating unclean meat or even clean meat. I wonder if historic Adventists' resistance to pain meds has some basis in the fact that Ellen touted natural remedies (they didn't have modern meds, of course!), so they fear that branching into using the modern substances is somehow sinful. And there's also the underlying fact that suffering is somehow noble; if God meant for us to ease our pain, He wouldn't have made the pain response--or some such argument. The illogic of it is astounding. Understanding the gospel and accepting our freedom in Jesus' forgiveness even clarifies our rational thought processes. It's such a miracle of God that we can change from the programmed adherents of a cult's teaching into people set free in Jesus! Colleen | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 179 Registered: 10-2000 |
Stan, I was playing or joking with you when my comment was made. It was to get you to smile Stan. But now since you mention your vacation home on the Colorado River...ahem...I wanna go with you guys!  Love you in Christ. denise | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 180 Registered: 10-2000 |
Dearest sister Susan....ahem.... You crack me up! Amazon Women On The Moon????! LOL, sorry, but that title just cracks me up! Still, it looks like it's a must see since you didn't devulge the ending. Still chuckling over that title over here. Thanks for the tip! Now, on to our mutually styled upbringing. WOW, you are right about it being one confusing time to know what doctrine to believe. And the booze at the WWCG was the fun part because it seemed to be the only time that my Grandmother and I actually got along! lol....talk about a great time at Church! Then we'd hit the SDA church the next week and get some of the same doctrine and then added ones that WWCG never told us about. But the SDA Church seem so blah to me...and phoney. So the next week would be the Synagogue and I actually was drawn to it and loved it. Next thing was we were at one of the two Churches or the Synagogue several times a week. Church buildings and Synagogues were our second home. Again, I'm still drawn to the Jewish customs and even observe some still in my own apartment. It doesn't conflict with the Gospel nor the Doctrine of the Bible in that I know that Jesus Christ has died for my sins, and risen, plus I've repented, sought mercy and forgiveness (this is a daily thing when I realize there's something I've just done or said or even thought that went against the Spirit of God) and I was baptized in 1999 for the first and only time. And I love Jewish music! My favorite type infact. The last year of both of my parents life, the last Feast we were ever to celebrate together again would be the Feast of Tabernacles. Little did any of us know it would be the last. It's even on reel to reel film. We are up in the mountains and oh how I wish to know of a place that could take these reel to reels and put them onto video for me! They are precious to me and I've no way to watch all 13 reels that my dad took during our years together. You mentioned how you were taught about the Jews and the Hindus...interesting. I say that because my dad had caught me putting a grasshopper head first into a red ant hole. Well, that's where a new teaching was taught to me. This being that whatever we do to even insects would come back to us, only 7-10 times worse! For years while walking down the sidewalk, my eyes were focused on the cement so I wouldn't accidently step on a spider or ant or any other insect. True story. And infact, to this day I feel terrible to have to kill a fly in my home. First I'll try to get it to go out the door and if that fails, then and only then do I pick up the fly swatter. Crazy huh? I'm getting better at just swatting them now though but it's taken many many years considering that was taught to me at age 5 or 6. That Scripture that says "Raise up a child in the way he should go." sure does work! Peace to your household. Denise | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 181 Registered: 10-2000 |
Susan, My prayer has gone up to God in behalf of your Mother. That makes me so sad to think of an 84 year old woman crying in pain! If I think too much about it, literally I'll get sick over her suffering...THAT's how much seniors mean to me. Yet now it won't leave my mind until I hear from you again about her condition. Please keep me update if nobody else--Please. I've asked the Lord to please have mercy on her and perhaps He may find it His will to relieve some of the pain. Who knows? I've seen miracles before! Perhaps He may put it into her head to take a Tylenol when the pain is like that. I'll continue to pray for her Susan because it's heartbreaking to even think about her suffering. I cry. Also, since this topic of meds and pain is here I can tell you and others that my pain is full body chronic pain that is intractable. Yes, I do take pain meds and they help a great deal even though I have continual pain. But this doesn't mean my conscience is feeling completely clear about this issue. The first 2 years of this pain I never mentioned a word to anybody nor any doctor (the pain was great then but is tremendously worse now). Then, when suicide became my only thought and my legs were paralyzed for a while I told my doctor. At first I was given motrin 800 mgs and it helped plus it didn't give me a problem in my conscience. And although my legs are not paralyzed now, that pain in them and my entire body is still there and has gotten so out of hand that I'm now on these potent pain meds. I've heard many preachers and pastors in church and on television say that the word Pharmacy comes from the greek work phamakia (sp). Which denotes witchcraft or sorcery. (Dennis Fisher are you around to help with this meaning??? My eyesight will not allow me to see my concordance or Bible anymore So, my brain tells me that it's wrong to take them because it's sorcery or something but at the same time, using reasoning abilities, my brain, knowledge AND conscience also tells me that when sorcerors and witches used these types of things that are denoted from that greek word in the Bible, they used them for visions or hallucinations and demonic trances or to induce a trance like state. Since I'm not having visions, nor do I get "high," or go into trances or any other manner of thing that would lesson my ability to reason nor do I participate with demons or demonic worship, my brain tells me it's okay to take these. And I must admit that it's a great fear to even begin to think of being without them for the pain is beyond human capacity. I've actually been delusional from the pain and had to be hospitalized a few times prior to the meds. Not only that but my blood pressure soared higher and higher until me, with normally low blood pressure of 90/60 bp would be 210/180 and the hospital would frantically be trying to get my bp (blood pressure) down. Colleen is right when she talks about the physiological effect pain will produce in a person who is suffering great pain. It's phenomenal and affects all the body parts, including the neurotransmittors in the brain. It brings with it physiological depression, NOT psychological. It an actual chemical and of course neurotransmittors imbalance. All of the body parts are affected, inside and out. It's a real physical domino affect. Pain can actually kill someone. I've been a researcher too long and a subject of this very research to know that to be true. So, PLEASE Susan, keep me updated on your Mother. And if you are willing I'll give you my email and telephone number so we can pray together if you want. I'd love to pray with you for your mother. This is breaking my heart to hear of such news. I'm crying for your mother. Let us pray together. May God the Almighty look down with His Mercy upon your mother. In Jesus Christ Name. This i pray. Amen. Colleen and Susan--please get together via email so Susan can have my email address. My permission is given to you Colleen to give Susan my email address. And Susan--PLEASE PUT IN THE SUBJECT LINE "FAF AND MY MOTHER." So I don't accidently delete it. Colleen, Please IF Susan has contacted you--then will you contact me via email to let me know what email address I should look for from her as anyone could put in the subject line what I've written above for Susan to write. This keeps me safe from hackers. Blessings to you Colleen! Denise | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 42 Registered: 3-2005 |
Denise, Thanks for your note above, and thanks for your prayer for my wife and I on the prayer site. I pray for you also. As you said before, we might differ on political issues, but we are all agreed in Christ. God bless you Denise. Stan |
