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| Wiredog Registered user Username: Wiredog Post Number: 314 Registered: 8-2010  |
Recently one friend from long ago, while i was a HS student in Auburn Adventist Academy picked up on my tweets. He knows I am no longer an SDA--I'm not sure if he is. Perhaps to rib me a bit he sent me a few tweets in response with links to SDA ministires. So for example "Faith for Today" and one from another SDA pastor's youth ministry. They use interesting names but as usual their names never allude to their SDA connection. It dawned on me that former Adventist or Adventist rescue type ministries actually use the name "Seventh-Day Adventists" or "Adventist" more openly in their names to IDENTIFY who is behind the ministry more so than the SDA's use their own name, themselves? It makes quite a statement when your "opponents" use you own label more than you do. It is pretty slick though. Essentially while the beacon of LAM or FAF clearly broadcasts the dangers and lies of Seventh-Day Adventism people just may never realize exactly who it is, that is being pointed out. | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 877 Registered: 5-2002  |
Well, the SDA marketing industrial complex goes to great lengths to deliberately CONCEAL their identity to the unsuspecting. Those of us who contend against the SDA marketing industrial complex go to great lengths to deliberately REVEAL their identity to the unsuspecting. | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 878 Registered: 5-2002 |
Well, the SDA marketing industrial complex goes to great lengths to deliberately CONCEAL their identity from the unsuspecting. Those of us who contend against the SDA marketing industrial complex go to great lengths to deliberately REVEAL their identity to the unsuspecting. | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 1274 Registered: 5-2009 |
This is a very good point, Wiredog. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 9930 Registered: 3-2004  |
I have been told I am obsessed with SDAs because I tell other Christians, and non Christians, what SDAs believe. What I answered was that God gave me the job of telling what SDAs believe and I will not put it down. They have flown under the radar for too long. I was told this by a woman from church and by my brother who lives with me. Diana (Message edited by Flyinglady on February 18, 2013) | ||
| Surfy Registered user Username: Surfy Post Number: 808 Registered: 11-2007 |
Actually, we as formers, probably know the writings of EGW better than most adventists, too. Surfy | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 1275 Registered: 5-2009 |
Very true, Surfy. | ||
| Martin Registered user Username: Martin Post Number: 169 Registered: 11-2008 |
Agree with you, Surfy. I certainly know more about their doctrines and history as a former than I did as a member of the SDA church. | ||
| Grace1958_f Registered user Username: Grace1958_f Post Number: 85 Registered: 3-2011 |
@ Flying lady @ Post # 9930 I truly appreciate the fact that you have been accused of being *obsessed with SDA’s because you tell other Christians, and non Christians what SDA’s believe.* I am a never-been-SDA married to a former-SDA. Two years ago my husband and I attempted to study Galatians with his devout SDA son & DIL. We wound up debating and arguing scripture and have done so ever since. The good news is that as a result of learning the deceptions of SDAism, I’ve been compelled to consistently tell other Christians and non Christians what SDA’s believe so much that I was beginning to think I was obssessed with SDAism - that is, until I happened to reconnect with a dear friend of mine who happened to have been raised SDA but was totally clueless about who EGW was or what the Investigative Judgment was or what a lot of SDA doctrine really meant. Both my husband and I explained to her the deceptions of SDAism as opposed to what the word of God actually teaches. She went home and did some of her own research and came to her own conclusion that she had been led astray by the SDA religion. She came to church with us at Christmas time and when our pastor gave the alter call, she gave her life to Christ. What a glorious moment that was!!!! If God has given you the calling to talk to anyone who will listen about the deceptions of SDAism, I say *You Go Girl!!!!!* You just never know when the seeds you sow will fall on fertile ground, like the seeds that led to my dear friend’s salvation. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 9934 Registered: 3-2004 |
Thanks Grace1958_f. Since coming to live with me my younger brother has accepted Christ and I am very glad God brought him to me. Oh, this is the brother who has told me I am obsessed with SDAs. I have kept up the job God has given me. Diana | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 14292 Registered: 12-2003  |
Very good point, Wiredog. It was great, by the way, having you at the conference this year! Colleen | ||
| Free2dance Registered user Username: Free2dance Post Number: 657 Registered: 2-2010 |
I wonder if it would be a good idea to create a list of SDA proselytizing ministries, that are not identified as SDA, which we can work together to build on and use to protect our unsuspecting family in Christ. God gave us unique discernment to recognize Adventist heresy. We tend to "smell it" before we can even prove it. Perhaps it is our responsibility to expose what the body of Christ is handicapped to see because of Walter Martin or other over uses of the law within Christendom. Just "thinking out loud" here. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 14298 Registered: 12-2003 |
It would be a good idea. In fact, we've talked about having a web page that lists Adventist organizations. I'd start a list if people want to contribute names. Richard could put it on Truth or Fables... Colleen | ||
| Lyrical Registered user Username: Lyrical Post Number: 148 Registered: 4-2012 |
GREAT idea! I'll start the list with one I stumbled upon today (after seeing it promoted in a YouTube video by John Bradshaw, Doug Batchelor, and other SDAs). They are worried about spiritualism and heresy currently creeping into the SDA church! Go figure... www.returntogodscovenant.org NO mention of SDA anywhere on the site! But, it most definitely is. I hate the blatant, intentional deception... | ||
| 1john2v27nlt Registered user Username: 1john2v27nlt Post Number: 452 Registered: 5-2009 |
I think Stephen Baxter might have one started - posted as a document on another forum. Documents tend to get 'lost'. A page on Truth or Fables would be great. Or even on Former Adventist also. I listened to a youtube presentation on 70 weeks in Daniel yesterday & wondered if it was sda or not. Would love to 'out' as many as we can to alert others! | ||
| Pegg Registered user Username: Pegg Post Number: 621 Registered: 2-2006 |
I believe that many former SDAs *do* know more about SDAism than current SDAs do, for several reasons ... ...1) In order to learn about the Gospel we've had to ferret-out just exactly what it was that we believed in the first place. This process causes one to examine their current (SDA at the time) belief structure in a kind of detail that is not required either by those who are born and remain in it or those who convert to the system. (I suppose that latter would examine their own old belief structure in the same way, although more often than not, I fear they did not derive from a strong structure.) ...2) SDAism is morphing rapidly. I don't think the laity can keep up. This leaves them confused. ...3) Related to #2 - The deceitful marketing of SDA is internal as well as external. The membership is often marketed (within the SS lessons and other ministries) a confused bucket of worms. This renders their understanding of the ACTUAL BELIEFS (as opposed to the marketed gobbledygook!) a very shallow underpinning, indeed. I am convinced that should SDAs not be so effectively inoculated by this confused marketing strategy many would be much more willing - even anxious - to deeply examine their beliefs, demanding the same level of integrity as formers --> which would serve to geratly multiply the numbers leaving the system. | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 924 Registered: 1-2007 |
Here is one I just learned about on carm called "The 1 Project" at hhp//the1project. I do no not know what to think. It is sda but are they truly studying Jesus w/o the church slanting toward egw teachings. If Jesus is taught through the bible only the church will either change (which I doubt) or the young people will leave in groves when they learn the truth of who Jesus truly is. I say this needs a lot of prayer for this group to get the right biblical teaching. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 14331 Registered: 12-2003 |
Pegg, good analysis. Gfrankie, I read through the One Project website a while back, and in spite of its "Jesus only" lead, it is thoroughly Adventist. It's all about leading people toward doing good and keeping Sabbath. When Adventists talk about Jesus only, it's a "front" for making an evangelical Adventism. If a person truly embraces Jesus only, they will have to give up all the idols. They will have to study the covenants and receive Jesus as their Sabbath rest and the Holy Spirit as the only seal (and sign) of belief. The 1 project is Adventist; they still have the Adventist worldview. It's interesting that Adventists are talking more about Jesus than they used to ten years ago...but it's the Adventist Jesus they usually talk about. It's not the Almighty, Eternal God the Son who completed every particle of work for atonement at the cross. Colleen | ||
| Free2dance Registered user Username: Free2dance Post Number: 686 Registered: 2-2010 |
Colleen, your comment above about Adventists talking about Jesus more in the last 10 years reminds me of the article in the Adventist Review where the author asks his readers why they say, "Thank you for the Sabbath" in their prayers more than "Thank you for Jesus". It's like they are being prepped for how to sound evangelical! For those who haven't seen the article, it's about Former Adventists and it's based on the results to some research done in 2011 where formers were asked to participate by answering a questionnaire about why the left the organization. I think Adventists might study former Adventists to get a better handle on how to manipulate and prep their people for handling those of us who run back into the burning building to rescue all we can! |
