Post Number: 3066
|Posted on Friday, April 26, 2013 - 10:32 am: || |
Here's a metaphor comparing salvation to getting out of a desert.
1. In the Adventist scenario, the man walks beside Jesus and Jesus keeps
giving him power to keep stepping; but only if the man keeps stepping
in faith. If he keeps stepping in faith, he'll get out and be saved.
2. In the Christian scenario, the man realizes he's totally helpless even
to have the faith he needs and cries out to Jesus to save him. Jesus
picks him up and CARRIES him out of the desert.
Post Number: 936
|Posted on Friday, April 26, 2013 - 11:04 am: || |
Asurprise, what a great description. My favorite sayng is 'Footprints In The Sand.' There have been so many deserts He has had to carry me through.
Post Number: 1072
|Posted on Friday, April 26, 2013 - 11:56 am: || |
I, also, like "Footprints in the Sand"!
Isaiah 40:11 also speaks about the LORD carrying His children~
"He tends His flocks like a shepherd;
He gathers the lambs in His arms and
carries them close to His heart.
He gently leads those that have young."
What a "word picture" ! The LORD of the universe
carries us close to His heart!
Post Number: 14388
|Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 8:18 am: || |
Oh, MJ, what a wonderful verse. I love that song in The Messiah!
Asurprise, that's a great metaphor.
Post Number: 3067
|Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:22 am: || |
I saw a sort of metaphor in a weird sci-fi movie I saw recently called "Oblivion." I didn't really care for the movie and I'm not recommending it or anything, but something in it sure reminded me of Adventist relatives who don't want to understand anything but what they've been taught.
(Now I don't want to spoil the movie for anyone, but in order to explain, I'm telling a bit of it here.)
In the movie, the main character "Jack," discovers something that doesn't add up with what he and his team-mate have been taught. He investigates further and finds out the truth. When he goes to tell her what he's found, she closes the door in his face. He begs her to please just listen to what he has to say. She refuses. I think he goes so far as to ask: "Don't you want to know the truth?!?!" She answers, "NO!!!!"
One of my SDA relative is like that. She and I have been emailing back and forth for a long time. (She won't let me discuss it any other way, such as by phone. I guess that's how she can "shield" her mind from anything that might set her free from the lies she's been taught, by skimming over what I write. (Being a little frustrated here.) When I write something that obviously contradicts what she believes, she doesn't even respond to it.
How about the rest of you. Do any stories or movies come to mind that remind you of the stubborn, blind people in cults?
Post Number: 266
|Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 2:43 pm: || |
Did anyone see the movie "The Village" by M. Night Shyamlan? It was about a group of people who had a lot of traumatic things happen to them, so they decided to go live in the village that they created to keep themselves from the outside world. That movie definitely remind me of Adventists. Living in their little ghettos or out in the woods, so as not to be tainted by the world. Problem is, their world (SDA's) is just as sinful as the one they try to avoid.
Yes, that really reminded me of Adventism, big time!
Post Number: 267
|Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 3:41 pm: || |
One more...did anyone see "Chocolat"? The main character (Juliet Binoche) is a chocolaterie, who comes to town, (a small French village), opens a chocolate shop just as Lent is beginning. It causes quite a stir with the local townspeople who are very conservative, and dare I say, judgmental. She doesn't dress like the other ladies in town, has an illegitimate daughter and is too free spirited for the town.
Then to top it all off, a group of gypsies, who are not very popular with the village folk, come to town (one of which is Johnny Depp) and she has a little romance with him.
But there are lots of other characters from among the townspeople with their stories and situations.
I guess the main thing that resonated with me, and made me think of SDA's at the time, was the fact that many of the towns people were very pious Christians, and rather joyless and rigid. Anyone, or anything outside of their idea of proper and "righteous" was looked down upon. It was a very sweet, charming movie.
Anyway, a movie with lots of chocolate-making and Johnny Depp, is enough for me!
Post Number: 14395
|Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:17 pm: || |
I've seen The Village. Yes, it reminded me of Adventism, too.
Post Number: 3070
|Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 11:03 am: || |
Another movie is "The Island," where a large group of people live in a facility where all their needs are being taken care of. They're told that the Earth has been contaminated from something all except for one place - a lush tropical island. A lottery is held every so often and a person is "picked at random" to go there. One of the main characters (played by Ewen McGregor) finds out the ominous truth... Adventists are like that group of people going one by one to their doom...
Post Number: 18
|Posted on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 9:44 pm: || |
How about a real life story similar with 'The village'. The Pitcairn Island, 100% SDA, but not populated by saints. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Islands#Religion.
Post Number: 188
|Posted on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 12:56 pm: || |
Asurprise, this is so true. I just returned from my 50 year reunion from academy. Scenario #1 was what I heard during the worship hour. The speaker said, "You do everything you can and when you can't do it any more, then God steps in and does it for you." He called that act "worship" I couldn't help squirm in my seat. I wanted to shout "WRONG" One of my classmates husbands mentioned that he noticed my husband's uneasiness.
I saw "Chocolate" in fact I have the DVD and love the movie. Thanks for mentioning the others. I like watching them.
While I was still Adventist, I was fastenated with Beverly Lewis' books of a girl that came out of the Amish community. I guess something inside me knew I had to come out of my own Adventist community. I was always fastenated with the Amish and even did a paper on them in Graduate School.
(Message edited by Sharon3 on April 30, 2013)
Post Number: 3072
|Posted on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 5:48 pm: || |
Wow, Sharon! That's exactly what the book of mormon teaches. Here in the b.o.m., in 2 Nephi 25:23 (last part), it says: "...for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." Joseph Smith laid out his b.o.m. just like the Bible, except that it contradicts the Bible. That speaker should have just held up a b.o.m. and read that "verse." All the cults believe the same way about salvation, but one curious thing is that only a few months after Joseph Smith died, Ellen White got a "spirit" too - probably the same "spirit!"