Post Number: 88
|Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - 8:12 pm: || |
A SDA friend of mine posted a comment on Facebook regarding a youtube video the supposedly has a bishop declaring the Roman Catholic Church's error in transferring Sabbath sacredness to Sunday. The 4 minute video can be viewed here:
I would also like to know if there are resources that can confirm this video is legitimate. As you can see, there is almost no context that would indicate the circumstances where this took place. Also, somewhere in the back of my mind I seem to remember that this is not a new development but something that has been out in the open for some time.
The comment my friend made was, "Good reminder that the Catholic Church changed the Christian day of worship from Saturday to Sunday." I was very tempted to respond to this comment but held my tongue with the hope that some of you might have more graceful answers to counter this error. Depending on the "wildfire" effect of the video I would like to have a response that addresses the issue Biblically.
Thanks for your help.
Post Number: 663
|Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 4:38 am: || |
This is an SDA dressed up as a Catholic Bishop.
Post Number: 55
|Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 8:44 am: || |
This is indeed a SDA dressed up as a Catholic, where was this filmed / what event ?
Does anyone recognize the man who takes the podium after ?
(Message edited by Lucias on June 20, 2013)
Post Number: 56
|Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 8:53 am: || |
This appears to have been a Carter Report event. See comments below the video on youtube, also look at other carter report presentations, stage matches and the chap taking podium after this appears the same as the man taking podium after the bogus bishop
Post Number: 895
|Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 8:54 am: || |
What is your evidence that this is a dressed-up SDA? I'd like to fight some misconceptions as this is being sent around some local circles as a legitimate RCC confession.
Post Number: 57
|Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 9:29 am: || |
Well if his appearance on the rabidly anti catholic Carter Report, sometimes carried on 3ABN, isn't enough.......
He is wearing his fascia [red dangly waist scarf type thing] on the wrong side. They learn how to vest early in Bishop School.
Post Number: 896
|Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 10:13 am: || |
I wonder what the motivation behind this was? As if it wouldn't be discovered to be illegitimate...
Post Number: 58
|Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 10:29 am: || |
I suspect if the clip started a bit earlier and you heard the intro of the speaker, it would not have been dishonest...... right ??? .... I'm sure they would have not been that dishonest.....
Post Number: 665
|Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 1:09 pm: || |
Plus, he is reading from an SDA script...
Post Number: 3126
|Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 1:20 pm: || |
I'm sure that the Roman Catholic church would love to claim that they changed the Sabbath to Sunday! But the truth is that Jesus FULFILLED the day and He's the Sabbath now! (Colossians 2:16-17)
The RCC is being very SDA in commanding people to observe a day. (The more time that passes since God rescued me from that cult, the more I see that the cults are basically the same - requiring works to a greater or a lesser extent for salvation.)
Post Number: 33
|Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2013 - 11:02 pm: || |
This was posted in another group, and one of the members dug around the internet till she found the whole deal and it was Carter speaking at a church service in Arcadia with someone play acting a RCC Bishop. No link given so can't share that. Was taped in March 2011.
Post Number: 2876
|Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 8:43 am: || |
With a little research I found that what Lucias said about the sash (fascia) dangling on the wrong side is true. This alone makes this video a fake. Also and important to remember is, it should be condemn as bogus and without merit is that there is no introduction to this speaker and there are no 'credits' or other references provided to establish that this person is speaking with authority.
Post Number: 2877
|Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 9:11 am: || |
Just as a caution, we must hold ourselves to a high standard of integrity.
We must always hold ourselves to a much higher moral standard than the producers of this video. While the video obviously and falsely supports SDA dogma we should not go beyond what we can prove to be true. It is good that some posting here have evidence that this as an SDA production but we should hold off condemning this as an outright SDA propaganda production without providing solid references to support our counter claims.
Starting with doctrine always resort to Scripture without taking it out of context. In our exposure of such things as this video, document our claims so others seeking the truth of any issue can clearly arrive at the same conclusion without twisting facts into what we think to be truth.
(Message edited by philharris on June 23, 2013)
Post Number: 329
|Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 2:12 pm: || |
This was posted on facebook too.
The original poster was told that it was deceptive and Jesuit like because it represented an 'ends justify the means' way of doing things and it also went against the clear instructions of Ellen White regarding drama in the church.
Post Number: 330
|Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 2:13 pm: || |
The version on Facebook had the part with Carter and showed that this was an actor hired for the purpose....
Post Number: 2022
|Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 3:56 pm: || |
I agree we need to avoid stooping to the same tactics.
However, I think it would be reasonable to say something that clearly distinguished what one knew versus what one thought or surmised. Such as
I think this may be a case of SDA propaganda. The video lacks and credits or references to the speaker's history or authority. The speaker isn't wearing his fascia on the correct side, something a true "Bishop" would undoubtedly know quite well. There is good reason to doubt the authenticity and no evidence provided for checking the authenticity. This is why I believe it is SDA propaganda.
Post Number: 1345
|Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2013 - 10:31 pm: || |
Oh, man...this is the church that my brother & SIL attend. My parents financially support it. I drive by this place once a week & actually left a certain magazine at their door not too long ago...the one with a "false prophet" on the cover....
My parents have dozens of his DVDs....he evangelizes huge crowds in Russia & all over the world. He is quite the dramatic speaker.
Post Number: 8126
|Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2013 - 9:03 am: || |
Aw, thats right out of 'Bible Readings For The Home' which is an SDA study book written with the complete guidance of SDA theologians (if you can call them theologians) I almost choke when I mention the word theologian with the word SDA attached to it, but this has been around for a long time (not the film, the words in the film).
The book, 'Bible Readings For The Home' hard cover is out of print, and getting hard to get.
The film (I believe) is an SDA propaganda film. Propaganda film is a powerful tool to keep the populace in check.