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| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 1788 Registered: 7-2003  |
An interesting article from my local paper: http://journalstar.com/news/local/education/new-school-to-offer-christian-based-education-with-mud-boot/article_b59afe11-6933-5654-88a7-b95ddaeb0ca7.html | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 60 Registered: 4-2014 |
I wonder if there is any form of deception that Seventh Day Adventism has not tried yet? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 14819 Registered: 12-2003  |
Exactly, Resjudicata. Oh, Chris...doesn't it make you want to run a counter-expose warning people about what their kids will learn? I'm so tired of Adventists posing their institutions as "Christian" and embedding their end-time fear into the unsuspecting...along with fear of disease and dying and learning to eat ascetic diets denying themselves all the comfort foods—not to mention the health benefits of coffee, lean meat, and even real butter!  Colleen | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 1790 Registered: 7-2003 |
I agree Colleen. The thing about this is, there are already two SDA elementary schools in this town: the larger more mainstream school and the uber conservative school with the one room school house setup. The fact that these people are setting up a third just outside of town on an acreage tells me they're likely somewhere to the right of uber conservative. When you read between the lines about wanting to have a nature based curriculum it's hard not see EGW in all this. I'm quite sure they're trying to get closer to her teachings in the book "Education" and will also no doubt be teaching the kids how to find edible berries when they have to flee to the country to escape Sunday keepers. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 14828 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yep. I'm certain you are right, Chris. All the markers are there. Years ago, before we left Adventism, we were living in a very small house which was remodeled but wasn't finished outside yet. Richard's family was visiting, and there were some extended family relatives and friends here; they all came to our house for Sabbath dinner. As I said, the outside was unfinished, and the yard was unmowed and weedy. As everyone was leaving late Sabbath afternoon, a boyfriend of our SIL's sister (he was from the Loma Linda area and very Adventist) walked outside and gazed at the yard. Then he pronounced the words you'd only expect to hear from an Adventist: "There are many edible plants in your yard." Right... Colleen | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 3376 Registered: 7-2007 |
Colleen; when you mentioned asceticism, I was reminded of that passage in Colossians. I'll put the whole passage here in case any Adventists are reading: 16 "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God." Colossians 2:16-19 Don't those parts just sound like Ellen White? | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 3377 Registered: 7-2007 |
Oh wow! I just noticed that the rest of the chapter also applies to Seventh-day Adventists! 20 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22 (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh. Colossians 2:20-23 (Message edited by Asurprise on May 24, 2014) | ||
| Islander Registered user Username: Islander Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2014 |
Why are they offering a preschool? Ellen White said children should not have formal schooling until at least age 7. Before 7 they should be with their mothers. Once again, with EGW it's a pick what they to follow. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 14831 Registered: 12-2003 |
Oh, that's a great point, Islander! Colleen | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 72 Registered: 4-2014 |
Only a slight detour from the subject of "Preparing the Kids for End Times." I've heard that Merikay McLeo, the author of that "Now" book is ashamed and embarrassed by it, apparently "seeing the light" after she won her well-deserved sex discrimination lawsuit against Pacific Press. But still..... But still, Adventists running for their lives through the forests while Sunday-Keeping Christians use them as target practice, like two-legged elk? Did I really believe that stuff? I cannot BELIEVE I believed that stuff. I should be forced forevermore to humbly wear a sign that says "Whatever you do, don't trust me at all. I once believed in a book called "Now." Therefore, I lack common sense." | ||
| Foofighter Registered user Username: Foofighter Post Number: 331 Registered: 7-2005 |
Res, That is too funny. I wasn't raised SDA. I did believe a lot of the stuff though, but it wasn't in my soul as deeply as those who were in it from birth on, and attended all the schools, etc. Nonetheless, I can believe I fell for this stuff, because I was pretty Biblically ignorant, but I know what you mean about looking at everything now and thinking, "How could I have believed this nonsense!" After leaving, hubs and I would share some of the beliefs with some people from our new church, and they would look at us with the most incredulous looks on their faces! Not only were they shocked at the beliefs, but surely part of their astonishment had to be, how can two seemingly intelligent people have believed THAT?!?! YIKES! That's embarrassing! | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 73 Registered: 4-2014 |
Foo, My most embarrassing confrontation always was on Easter, especially with Evangelicals. I always tried to hide out, so the confrontation never happened. I just "didn't get it." It was like I had a blank wall between Easter day and me. And I had no idea of how to explain it so that it wasn't so excruciatingly embarrassing. That I left Adventism and STILL did not understand the importance of the Resurrection for another 33 years is just about incomprehensible. | ||
| Foofighter Registered user Username: Foofighter Post Number: 332 Registered: 7-2005 |
I was surprised when Easter rolled around, and nothing was ever said about it. Maybe, many years later it was at least given a nod. It's hard to really remember exactly, but I know for many years, Easter was a non-issue. It is shocking how unimportant the resurrection is in Adventism. As was mentioned elsewhere earlier, Jesus in Adventism is our Example. Rarely mentioned as our Savior, Redeemer, Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. Mostly, He kept the Sabbath, or He rested over the Sabbath in the tomb. Or, He lived a sinless life, so we can too. | ||
| Mountaingirl Registered user Username: Mountaingirl Post Number: 80 Registered: 8-2013 |
Resjudicata - This was my first Easter service and while it was good and I enjoyed my time at church, held back crying my eyes out - I really didn't get it until just a week ago and I am still not completely sure I get it. All I know is that "He is Risen" and that means everything, it means salvation is completed, and I am free in Christ, I am in His kingdom, alive because he lives. I am so sure there is more and still will always be more forever. | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 80 Registered: 4-2014 |
Mountaingirl, I know what you mean. At this point, several weeks after Easter, I still think about the Resurrection constantly. It is just unbelievable how Adventism - doctrine by doctrine - is designed specifically to hide and denigrate the Resurrection. It is hard for me to believe the Apostles gave a single thought ever again about the Sabbath after that first Resurrection morning. | ||
| Mountaingirl Registered user Username: Mountaingirl Post Number: 81 Registered: 8-2013 |
Resjudicata - It is hard for me to believe the Apostles gave a single thought ever again about the Sabbath after that first Resurrection morning. This is a beautiful way to communicate it, something profound and awesome occurred and the world stepped into something new, wonderful, exciting and peaceful in which we can walk into and walk with our God in and through belief, knowing that we are accepted, loved completely, cherished and have HIS righteousness imputed to us. The knowing full well that I am saved is the most awesome soul changing, life changing experience and it is because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This coming Sunday the church will be the celebration of the Day of Pentecost. I have no idea what the church, pastors have in store, most definitely the "breaking of bread" and I am so looking forward to it. It is the a celebration of the day the church begin. Wow! | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 81 Registered: 4-2014 |
Mountaingirl, After my experience with the Resurrection for the first time this year, it is hard to believe that I could ever think about anything the same way again. Pure and simple, commemoration of the Resurrection is the only reason that Sunday worship commenced, and it clearly did so on the dawn of Resurrection morning. Adventists have all kinds of convoluted Conspiracy Theories on who "the grassy knoll shooter" was that "killed" the Sabbath. Variously the Pope, the Catholic Church and lately, St. Paul joins the rogue's gallery of potential suspects. Regardless of what Paul wrote or didn't write, it would have been impossible for him to have stymied the widespread celebration of the Resurrection that was virtually universal by the time of the AD 50 Jerusalem Council outlined in Acts 15. Had Paul urged the early Christians to assume Sabbath Keeping at best, he would have been politely ignored. |
