| Author | Message | ||
| Dennis |
Today's historic, political news, about Vice President Al Gore selecting Senator Joseph Lieberman as his running mate, is problematic for Seventh-day Adventists. Lieberman is a devout Orthodox Jew that rigidly observes the Sabbath. Most Adventists vote for the Republican ticket, but are they morally obligated to vote Democratic this year? Who will be more likely to sign the Sabbath death decree, Cheney or Lieberman? What a needless, irrelevant fear--a non-issue! Someone said that perhaps Ellen White didn't hear right, maybe the final issue will be the NATIONAL SABBATH LAW.(smile) Dennis J. Fischer | ||
| Patti |
Cute, Dennis! But, not to worry! Bush will win! :) (The eyes of Texas are upon you!) :) | ||
| Delstar |
Hmmmmmmmm Maybe there was something behind that decision....there are a great many voters among Jews and SDAs.... Jesus Is Enough | ||
| Breezy |
Here's another scenario: Liebermann has already made it clear that he will work on the Sabbath if necessary to fulfill his office of vice-president. So when the Sunday law goes into effect, he will already have set the tone for the country. If he can compromise on the Sabbath, then other Jews, SDA's, sabbatarians will be expected to also. Just a thought, Wendy | ||
| Patti |
Friends, I am frankly shocked and appalled at the conversation I have just observed on an SDA website. The topic: A sabbatarian Veep. Once and for all it has been established, publicly now, that SDAs are much more concerned about keeping the sabbath than about Jesus Christ. They are almost unanimously siding with the Jewish VP because of the sabbath AGAINST anything they view as "Christian." Amazing. Sad. You can view this for yourself at: http://www.online-adventist.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000169.html | ||
| Larimobley |
Dear Patti, I just read the forum you referenced. Unbelievable. You're right. They're discussing why some will now vote for Gore--because he's got a Sabbath-keeper on the ticket (never mind he doesn't accept Jesus Christ). Some still intend to vote for Bush. There are several quotes from Ellen White, but absolutely no mention of Jesus Christ, the gospel or salvation. I find it particularly sad that several on that forum stated that they will now vote for Gore because of the Sabbath-keeper on his ticket. This indicates to me that keeping the Sabbath is more important to them than believing in Jesus Christ. I'm so glad that God is sovereign and in control. I'm also thankful for the assurance of salvation by the grace of Jesus Christ. In His grace, Lari | ||
| Patti |
My reaction exactly, Lari. And, yes, I am so grateful that I don't have to worry anymore about things that I cannot control. God is in control. We can rest assured that no matter what comes to pass, He will keep us safe in Him. Grace and peace, Patti | ||
| Ken |
Hi Patti: If God is your pilot and is in control of your life why don't you at least follow Jesus example. It's amazing to me that on this site everyone talks about how much they absolutely love Jesus yet do you really follow what he says in the Bible, or what was said about him? I know you all pretty much blow off the whole old testament as being null and void, but you'd think that the new testament would be clear enough in it's teachings that you'd be able to see that Jesus never blew-off keeping the sabbath holy. If he did why would the Bible teach things like "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Sounds to me that following Jesus must take at least some effort! If I were to claim that my wife loved me and told everyone that her grace sustained me, and, (get this she doesn't even care if I obey her). Do ya really think I would be surprised if she quit paying attention to me and told me Adios? No! I love her and would do anything she asked to show her I loved her. Same with my God and his Son. Do you really believe that a God that says "For I am the LORD, I change not" would chuck his Commandments, I know not! I also think you probably don't believe the following: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Rev. 14:12 come on people WAKE UP! Ken | ||
| Steve |
Hi Ken, I awake! I agree, wholeheartedly. That's why, just as Jesus broke the seventh-day Sabbath, I follow in His footsteps. And just as He declared ALL foods clean, so I no longer worry about what goes into my stomach, but rather what comes out of my heart. God Bless, Steve | ||
| Susan |
Hi Ken, welcome! Are you new here? I'd like to add a comment regarding Jesus keeping the sabbath. He was Jewish, a rabbi. My understanding is that any good rabbi (especially a divine and sinless one!) would certainly observe every Shabbat. My understanding of this is that the New Covenant had not taken effect yet. His death/ressurection which finalized things, had not yet ocurred. Have you heard Mark Martin's tapes on the covenants? I think his website is www.sdaoutreach.org. These were a great resource to me, for gaining a biblical understanding of the subject. Resting in Jesus, Susan | ||
| Larimobley |
Dear Ken, Jesus is the gate, and the way. "And this is his command: That you love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul and with all your mind..and your neighbor as yourself." This makes perfect sense in along with Revelation 14:12 to me. The command referred to in Revelation is Jesus' command to love one another, not the 10 commandments. Thankfully, this kind of love for others comes from God through his gift of the Holy Spirit, along with our salvation, which is also a gift. "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance of is Christ." (Col. 2:16) Praising God for true Sabbath rest in Jesus. In His grace, Lari | ||
| Doug |
Ken, No one would argue the need for living a holy life. In my opinion, grace understood leads to an even greater desire for holiness. In my own feable attempt to understand the grace of God, I believe that the only way to "keep the patience of the saints" is to completely submit to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. He lives within us--we have died to Christ. Only in submission (admitting that I can do nothing--absolutely nothing) can I begin to "keep the patience." I wait for God, I live for God, His will directs my life. Keeping something (like the sabbath) because I can does nothing, it is but "filthy rags." What is hard, what is narrow is submission, admission that I don't deserve Grace, I can't be good enough to ever merit Grace. I can only praise that I am given grace. The holy life is Christ living within me. For me, it boils down to attitude and motivation. If I can learn to love God with all my heart, all my mind and all my soul and love my neighbor as myself, then we can discuss the true patience of the saints and the commandments of God... Looking only at Christ and submitting to the Holy Sprit is the only way I have found to make this even remotely possible. His Grace is indeed amazing. And what freedom and joy... | ||
| Billthompson |
Ken, When SDAs point out that Jesus kept the sabbath they fail to put it in the context which Susan made so clear above. I would simply add that as a Jew living prior to the cross he was also circumcised, observed passover and other things we now know are not part of the new covenant. Even though He was Himself the passover lamb he ate of the "shadow" of Himself. These things had not yet been fulfilled. At the cross they were. Bill Thompson | ||
| Chyna |
ken, ditto on everything said. everything in the bible points to the cross. the OT was pointing ahead, looking forward to the cross, the NT is also focused on the work done on the cross and what the implication is on our lives. i'm sure everyone agrees here that you need both the OT and NT to have a complete picture of God. in the OT you'll see the people of Israel failing time and time again. they were under law and they could not keep it. every part of the OT will attest to the sanctity of Jesus Christ (because he could keep EVERY single part of the law), and the power of the work done on the cross. without Jesus Christ, we would be living like those in the OT: stoning people for not keeping the Sabbath, stoning people for not honoring their parents, stoning people for adultery. surely you cannot tell me that that is the better way than repentance and forgiveness. also, Christians today are in no way "chucking out the commandments" as it's been stated before, 9 of the 10 commandments were restated in the new testament, of course you can see that under "loving your neighbor" fulfills these, because loving your neighbor is loving God. I came to realize that the reason "Keep the Sabbath" is not in the NT is because through our Salvation we are keeping the Sabbath :). when you say: "we must follow Jesus' example" i'm not clear about which part you want me to do? to go to Jewish Synagogues and preach? to wear tassels on my feet? To die for the sins of the world? To observe all the Sabbaths? weekly, monthly, yearly? to perform miracles? Ken, you are fixed upon the 4th commandment thinking that that is the crucial commandment in the Bible, but honestly it is not. It is not a 'better commandment' than the others. in fact, it was fulfilled at the cross which is why the early church started worshipping on the "Lord's Day" the Lord's Day incidentally is not the Sabbath (not just a shift of Saturday to Sunday) hope this helped, Chyna | ||
| Chyna |
Le 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath. Le 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein. Nu 29:35 On the eighth day ye shall have a solemn assembly: ye shall do no servile work therein: Le 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath. uh oh, which day is the ninth day of the month at even? you have to celebrate that sabbath too! Le 25:4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard. oh wait, every seven years the SDA's should not work at all either. if you wanna keep the Sabbath, please keep it correctly! now they have to be SDYA's, Seventh-Day & Year Adventists hum, seems to me that the first day is Sunday, and that the eighth day is Sunday too. now the SDA's will have to change their names to FSEDA - First, Seventh, and Eighth Day Adventists, and that they'll start having to go to church on Saturday and Sunday :). Horror of horrors, Ellen was wrong! You have to go to church on Saturdays and Sundays :), therefore you can be keeping the fourth commandment twice as well. The SDA church has lost the truth of the sabbath :), they need to observe both Saturday and Sunday. this is all in jest. but the words of the Bible are true. Israel had to observe Sunday also. How could the SDA's faithful Sabbath keepers neglect the eighth day sabbath? :), Chyna Le 25:6 And the sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee, did EGW see this verse? they associate the Sabbath of the land as Meat, (that horrible carnal thing that we partake in) De 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. well, I see now in the OT we are to keep it so WE keep the day holy, in the NT we see that Jesus Christ keeps us holy (what a relief) Ne 13:15 In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day: and I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals. why is this profaning the Sabbath day and not the disciples gathering grain? the work they were doing in Nehemiah's time doesn't seem much different than the work that the disciples did. Mt 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. | ||
| Ken |
Hi Chyna: So just exactly which day is the Lords day, certainly not Sunday! If you can prove that it's any day other day than Sabbath the 7th day of the week, 3ABN & Doug Batchelor have dangled $50,000 for some proof that Jesus changed God's Sabbath commandment from Sabbath to any other day. Don't forget to mail me my cut ; ). Ken | ||
| Billthompson |
Ken, I do not believe the Sabbath was changed from one specific day to another specific day. What purpose would that serve? The Sabbath rest of the Old Covenant was a beautiful shadow of the rest we now find in Christ alone because of what he did at the cross (see Col. 2:16-17, Heb. chapters 3&4, Rom. 14:5). We enjoy this rest NOT on just one specific day of the week, but every day here on earth and throughout eternity from the day we place our faith in Christ alone for salvation. So you see 3ABN & Doug Bachelor have made a faulty offer. They are locked in a mindset that the sabbath must be observed on one particular day, an Old Covenant mindset. They should be saying "Is the sabbath observed differently after the cross?" We could certainly show them this. I'm new here on this forum and have never had the pleasure of hearing your testimony. Would you share your testimony with us or with me privately? billtod@airmail.net In you testimony please address specificly --What you are trusting in for salvation. --Did the blood of Jesus cover just your past sins or ALL your sins? --Do you have a firm assurance of salvation? I'll be happy to continue the sabbath discussion with you AFTER I hear your testimony and know that you have a secure assurance of your own salvation. Let's put first things first...the rest will fall into place much easier then. If you'd like to read my testimony, it is on the net and I can give you the URL. A Sinner Saved By Grace, Bill Thompson | ||
| Maryann |
Hi Ken, It's good to hear from you again;-)) This "change of the worship day" issue will go on forever! There are so many Sunday keeping Christians (probably most) that have no clue about the Sunday - Sabbath issue and really don't care about it either. We as SDA's or Former SDA's do care about it because of our background and the name, SDA, really in and of it's self puts a lot of emphasis on it. I don't believe the Sabbath was changed to Sunday!!!!! I am continually accused of that!!! Even though I deny it. It's like the ears are closed to what ever I say I believe! Now, the longest, most vigorious in the shortest time thread was some months ago with you, assuming you are the same Ken (Clark). In short and simple form, here again is what I believe: God created the world in 6 days and named each one evening and morning..1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Then God rested, (not because He's tired either). God didn't say, evening and morning 7th day. God is not recorded as starting His "week" all over and working 6 days and resting the 7th. What is indicated is that God and Adam and Eve walked together and did what companions do. It is not recorded that God only came down to "hang out" on the 7th day only. It is indicated that God walked in the garden at His convenience. Since there was no sin, there was no active plan of salvation. There were no sacrifices etc. Adam and Eve could look at their Creator without dying. They were sharing the 7th day rest of God. Though the Bible does not say this word for word, I believe that this 7th day rest period was to last for eternity. When Adam sinned, that relationship was GONE! Adam and Eve hid themselves! They no longer shared this wonderful relationship with God. They seriously MESSED up! Now the plan of salvation was put into action. Sacrifices were needed to look forward to the ultimate sacrifice, Jesus. Later, circumsision was put into action as a sign. Later still, the 10 C were put into action with the very center of it being the sign, the 4th C. All of these things were pointing to Christ and the Christ event. I might mention in passing that the circumsision and the 10 C were coventants and signs between God and HIS people, the Israelites. I can't think of a time that it included anyone outside of their community. The sacrifice's started with Adam and seemed to channel to the Israelites, only, as I don't remember the other people such as the Egyptians and heathens of Canaan sacrificing to God. All these things were shadows of the "REAL" thing, Jesus. Now, sacrificing animals is not anything we do today. Except...for devil worshipers and other cults etc that sacrifice animals to some god. Circumcision is done today for non-religious personal reasons. Except...for the Jews etc that still do it for religious rites. Seventh day Sabbath keeping is not something that we, as evangelical Christians, do today. Except...for the Jews that don't believe in our risen Lord and SDA's, SDB's etc that find it necessary to keep honoring the shadows of Jesus. I personally find that believing, worshiping and honoring my personal risen Lord is way more fulfilling than believing, worshiping and honoring a shadow of that risen Lord. I personally believe that believing, worshiping and honoring my personal risen Lord puts me, by faith, into the same relationship with God that Adam and Eve had before the fall. As I said earlier, Adam and Eve were sharing the 7th day rest of God. NOW! I am, by faith, sharing for eternity, the 7th day rest of God with God that was RESTORED for me, by the shed blood of Jesus on the cross, his death, resurrection, ascension and the sitting at the right hand of God right now!!! With that in mind, WHY would I want to honor and worship a shadow???!!! Just to make this a reality to you, take your wife/husband/child/parent/friend outside on a sunny afternoon and tell them how much you love and honor them. With that said, fall face first on the concrete and hug their shadow. When you get done doing that, (if your teeth are not on the concrete), notice the puzzled look on their face?! I believe that the weight of the gospel, and particularly Galations and Hebrews, leans towards worshiping "The Jesus" not "the shadow". I also believe that Jesus has a really puzzled if not hurt look on His face when He looks into the Jewish, SDA, SDB, etc communities. Soooo, did Sabbath get changed to Sunday? Asolutely not!!!!!! The shadow of the True Sabbath is the day, the True Sabbath is the "eternal relationship" with our Lord and Savior that is ours when we believe. Belief = Eternal relationship with God Un-belief = Love, honoring and worshiping the shadows. The consequences for un-belief are not nice as the Bible indicates. Would you please, if you don't believe, tell me why? Would you please address the issues that are above and not go off into all the other side issues that went on in the thread several months ago? Would you please not, at least in my case, say that I am believing in Sabbath changed to Sunday? I made very clear that I don't! Thank you for giving me the excuse to come in from the heat of my back yard project to cool off;-)) Praising God as a new covenant Christian sharing an eternal 7th day Sabbath/rest with God......Maryann | ||
| Chyna |
yes, ken, the Lord's Day is the first day of the week. Sabbath takes place on the 7th, or sometimes the 1st or the 8th depending on what God says, apparently in the OT. the Sabbath is not the Lord's Day. before i met an adventist, I didn't realize that going to church on Sunday was different than the fourth commandment, it certainly seemed in the same spirit though i must say. I tried to avoid working on Sundays b/c of that reason. upon further study, I realized that it's never been that Sabbath changed from Saturday to Sunday, it's that the Lord's Day is a whole new concept and it took place on Sunday. many adventists believe that it was the anti-semites that outlawed going to church on Sabbath, but many early church fathers made clear they worshipped on the Lord's Day which was sunday. i put the URL for you Ken at the bottom. I must warn you that it seems to be very anti EGW, which is why I think i has the number 666 in it (uck) but I respect Walter Martin greatly. in Him, Chyna here's the reproof that Walter Martin gave in answer to the claim that Sabbath is the Lord's Day. I. THE SABBATH OR THE LORD'S DAY Seventh-day Adventists from the beginning have always attempted to equate the Sabbath with the Lord's Day. Their principal method for accomplishing this is to link Mark 2:28 with Revelation 1:10, and thus to undercut one of the strongest arguments against their position, i.e., the Lord's Day as opposed to Sabbath observance. They reason that since "the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27-28), when John says he "was in the Spirit on the Lord's day" (Revelation 1:10), the Sabbath and the Lord's Day must be the same! The weakness of their position is that they base their argument on an English translation instead of on the Greek original. When one reads the second chapter of Mark and the first chapter of Revelation in Greek, he sees that there is no such interpretation inherent in the grammatical structure. The Greek of Mark 2:28 clearly indicates that Christ did not mean that the Sabbath was His possession (which the Adventists would like to establish); rather, He was saying that as Lord of all He could do as He pleased on the Sabbath. The Greek is most explicit here. Nothing could be clearer from both the context and the grammar. In Revelation 1:10, the Greek is not the genitive of possession, which it would have to be in order to make te-kuriake (the Lord's) agree with hemera (day). John did not mean that the Lord's Day was the Lord's possession, but rather that it was the day dedicated to Him by the early church, not in accordance with Mosaic law, but in obedience to our Lord's commandment of love. We may certainly assume that if the Sabbath had meant so much to the writers of the New Testament, and if, as Adventists insist, it was so widely observed during the early centuries of the Christian church, John and the other writers of Scripture would have equated it with the Lord's Day, the first day of the week. Scripture and history testify that they did not, and Adventists have, therefore, little scriptural justification for their Sabbatarianism. A. Testimony of the Fathers The church Fathers provide a mass of evidence that the first day of the week, not the seventh, is the Lord's Day. Some of this evidence is here submitted for the reader's consideration. In company with the overwhelming majority of historians and scholars, we believe that not only the New Testament but the following citations refute Sabbatarianism. We have yet to see any systematic answer to what the Christian church has always believed. 1. Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, in the year A.D. 110, wrote: "If, then, those who walk in the ancient practices attain to newness of hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but fashioning their lives after the Lord's Day on which our life also arose through Him, that we may be found disciples of Jesus Christ, our only teacher." 2. Justin Martyr (100-165): "And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together in one place and memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits. Ö Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness in matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead." 3. The Epistle of Barnabas (between 120 and 150): " 'Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot endure' (Isaiah 1:13). You perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to me but that which I had made in giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is a beginning of another world. Wherefore also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, a day also in which Jesus rose from the dead." 4. Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons (about 178): "The mystery of the Lord's resurrection may not be celebrated on any other day than the Lord's Day." 5. Bardaisan (born 154): "Wherever we be, all of us are called by the one name of the Messiah, namely Christians and upon one day, which is the first day of the week, we assemble ourselves together and on the appointed days we abstain from food." 6. Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage (200-258): "The Lord's Day is both the first and the eighth day." 7. Eusebius (about 315): "The churches throughout the rest of the world observe the practice that has prevailed from the apostolic tradition until the present time so that it would not be proper to terminate our fast on any other day but the resurrection day of our Saviour. Hence, there were synods and convocations of our bishops on this question and they unanimously drew up an ecclesiastical decree which they communicated to churches in all places--that the mystery of the Lord's resurrection should be celebrated on no other than the Lord's day." 8. Peter, Bishop of Alexandria (about 300): "We keep the Lord's Day as a day of joy because of Him who arose thereon." 9. Didache of the Apostles (about 70-75): "On the Lord's own day, gather yourselves together and break bread and give thanks." 10. The Epistle of Pliny (about 112, addressed to the Emperor Trajan): "They [the Christians] affirmed Ö that the whole of their crime or error was that they had been wont to meet together on a fixed day before daylight and to repeat among themselves in turn a hymn to Christ as to a god and to bind themselves by an oath (sacramentum). Ö These things duly done, it had been their custom to disperse and to meet again to take food--of an ordinary and harmless kind. Even this they had ceased to do after my edict, by which, in accordance with your instructions, I had forbidden the existence of societies." Thus it appears that from apostolic and patristic times, the Christian church observed the Lord's Day or the first day of the week; further, the Jewish Sabbath, in the words of Clement of Alexandria (about 194) was "nothing more than a working day." In their zeal to establish the authority of the Sabbath, Adventists either reject contrary evidence as unauthentic (and so they conflict with the preponderance of scholastic opinion), or they ignore the testimony of the early church. Although they seem unaffected by the evidence, the fact remains that the Christian church has both apostolic and historical support for observing the Lord's Day in place of the Sabbath. Recently the Adventist radio program Voice of Prophecy circulated a thirty-one-page pamphlet entitled Authoritative Quotations on the Sabbath and Sunday. In it they quoted "leading" Protestant sources to "prove" that Sunday usurped the Sabbath and is a pagan institution imposed by Constantine in A.D. 321. 4. "They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord's Day, contrary to the Decalogue as it appears; neither is there any example more boasted than the changing of the Sabbath Day" (Martin Luther, Augsburg Confession of Faith, Article 28, Paragraph 9). In this pamphlet they quote Martin Luther, despite the well-known fact that Luther violently opposed Sabbatarianism. His refutation of his Sabbatarian colleague, Dr. Carlstadt, is a monument to his apologetic genius. Thus, to quote Luther in order to support the doctrine of the Seventh-day Sabbath suggests that Adventists are not familiar with Luther's theology. On page thirteen of this same pamphlet, the Adventists make misleading use of the ellipsis. The following is a direct quotation as it appears: Sunday (dies-solis, of the Roman calendar, day of the sun, because dedicated to the sun), was adopted by the early Christians as a day of worship. The sun of Latin adoration they interpreted as the "sun of righteousness." Ö No regulations for its observance are laid down in the New Testament, nor, indeed, is its observance even enjoined (Schaff-Herzog, Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, 1891 ed., Volume 4, Article on Sunday). Now here is the paragraph as it appears in the Encyclopedia: Sunday (dies-solis, of the Roman Calendar, day of the sun, because dedicated to the sun), was adopted by the early Christians as a day of worship. The sun of Latin adoration they interpreted as "the sun of righteousness." SUNDAY WAS EMPHATICALLY THE WEEKLY FEAST OF THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST, AS THE JEWISH SABBATH WAS THE FEAST OF THE CREATION. IT WAS CALLED THE "LORD'S DAY," AND UPON IT THE PRIMITIVE CHURCH ASSEMBLED TO BREAK BREAD (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2). No regulations for its observance are laid down in the New Testament, nor, indeed, is its observance even enjoined; YET CHRISTIAN FEELING LED TO THE UNIVERSAL ADOPTION OF THE DAY, IN IMITATION OF APOSTOLIC PRECEDENCE. IN THE SECOND CENTURY ITS OBSERVANCE WAS UNIVERSAL. (Sentences in capital letters were omitted by the writer of the Adventist pamphlet on page 22. This mutilation of authoritative sources first occurs in The Present Truth, Volume 1, Number 9, published in the 1880s. So our Adventist brethren apparently failed to check the quotation's validity.) http://millennium.fortunecity.com/lincoln/666/puzzle/page4.html | ||
| Dennis |
Patti, I visited the Web site your mentioned, the Voluntary Adventist Forum. This was my first visit there after the official forum was discontinued. Thank God for online forums, like FAF, where a diversity of Christian views are tolerated and even encouraged. I was really surprised to read their last sentence(last part) of their rules for membership. Indeed, a closed theology-closed mind paradigm! Needless to add, I cannot submit to their bottom line of not sharing my faith in Christ. Truth has nothing to fear! In His grace, Dennis J. Fischer |
