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| Sabra (Sabra) |
Angie, The testimonies are posted under stories. At the top of the first page you can click on them. You can learn all kinds of stuff about us!!  | ||
| Loneviking (Loneviking) |
So, we're looking at versions of the Bible and what translation is 'best'? Here are four websites on the KJV controversy that you might want to check out: www.av1611.org/nkjv.html www.evangelicaloutreach.org/kjv.htm www.kjvonly.org www.nccg.org/nccm/kjv.html The last web site says that the KJV is best, but is not an 'only' position. When looking for a Bible you really have to ask things like 'who is it for', 'what features are they looking for', 'is it for reading or study'...etc. My big problem with the NIV is two-fold. First, most of the translators were from very liberal churches who are very open to 'textual criticism'. This has been one of the most destructive techniques to believers faith in the Word to come along. Along with a liberal approach some come from churches that openly admit practicing gays to membership and/or even ordain them. The Bible clearly says that homosexuality is a sin---how can I trust interpreters who have such a warped interpretation of the Bible as to excuse open sin? The second problem is that I can't tie in the various concepts and symbols from Revelation back to the Old Testament books that they came from. You can't compare a section of text in Revelation--go back to Daniel and say 'aha, that's where I've read this before', as you can with the KJV and NASB. The reason that you can't is because the NIV translators are not consistent in their translations. This is especially true when it comes to terms dealing with Satan and Antichrist. So this is one translation I just don't care much for. The NASB is my favorite, in part because it clues you in as to which manuscripts are being used. Most of the NASB versions will say 'some older manuscripts'---and that's saying 'The Textus Vaticanus and Sinaiaticus'. Or, it will say 'omitted in most younger manuscripts'---so it wouldn't be found in the KJV. The NASB is the favorite of quite a few preachers, including Charles Stanley and Chuck Swindoll (who uses a Ryrie study Bible). As for study Bibles, I use a Lockman Foundation NASB because I have never found another Bible with cross-references as good as this one. It is like the Thompson Chain Reference, but they just don't call it that. There are quite a few cross-reference systems out there that are just junk. Zondervan publishers don't have good references, the SDA study Bible is absolutely the worst I have ever seen! Ryrie is quite a good study system, along with the Rainbow Bible. If anybody is interested in a top quality KJV study Bible, the best I have found (and I collect Bibles--can you tell?) is from Dugan Publishers. You'll have to special order this one---but it's worth it! You get the KJV text with references, then the entire Bible arranged by topic (and these topic numbers are beside the text) along with a dictionary and a complete Crudens concordance. One of the most interesting Bibles I have is chronological. The Bible is arranged according to when the events actually occurred. If two events were occuring at the same time, you have parallel passages. Invaluable Bible tools? Strongs---which can be used with the NASB and NKJV. Also, the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge--first printed in 1830, now revised and still going strong! | ||
| Another_Carol (Another_Carol) |
Angie, As to your question of Being a Mennonite do you keep the letter of the law? I will speak for myself being a believer worshipping with a group of people who call themselves Mennonite: I try my best to keep the law of Christ as set forth in Gal.6:2 Bear one anothers burdens and thus fulfil the law of Christ. And when I fall short of that he undergrids me with sanctification,justification,redeemption, righteousness and His everlasting Love. Like I said in a previous post I can go to this church and be accepted even when I do not believe exactely as the constitution states. One thing it does not state is that I must keep such and such rule to belong. I made this point very clear when I stated a baptismal candidate was interviewed, of which I was present, and did not agree with the pacifist position, nevertheless he was baptised and joined the church. Thank God for giving you the words to say to your husband. I must say I have been in similar situations and did not have as pleasant a statement as you. I so much enjoy hearing how the Lord is working in your life. Together we will all grow having learned from each other and felt the presence of God and His marvelous power in and thru His servants. May God continue to give you a spirit of sweetness, Carol | ||
| Angie (Angie) |
Carol,I do try to kee the Gal.law also.I had never heard of Mennonite before so I was just wondering.As for my calm words to my husband,well it has taken me for what seems like FOREVER to finally get to the point of just giving it to the Lord.I tried doing it before,but I just couldn't let it go,and now that I have,it's like the opportunity for a 'dabate' just don't come up as often.Praise the Lord for that!! Angie | ||
| Another_Carol (Another_Carol) |
Angie, That is where I am at with my son-in-law now. I don't talk about anything but I know that if you don't talk about things they never get resolved so I'm caught in a tough spot. I think so often of you as I do Pheeki since I do not think that families function well in conflict. Praying for you and your husband,Carol | ||
| Lydell (Lydell) |
Loneviking, one caution about the Ryrie study Bible is that those footnotes you are seeing are purely Southern Baptist doctrine. If you are Southern Baptist, that's not a problem. But if a person wants something with a non-Baptist biased viewpoint, then there's a problem. | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
Also, the NIV study Bible does include the information regarding passages which are used in some of the older or newer manuscripts just as the NASB does. The NIV Study Bible also gives alternate renderings of the original text where the original is open to more than one interpretation. (I'm not talking about wildly divergent meanings, just subtle meanings where the Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic is somewhat vague.) The notes also give historical data and scriptural references to clarify context and understanding where necessary. Colleen | ||
| Gene (Gene) |
I duked it out with a Mormon woman on another site once over her claim that the KJV was the most accurate translation, in spite of being so flawed that Joseph Smith had to write the Book of Mormon, Doctrines and Covenants, the Book of Abraham and countless others in order to correct those errors. I told her then, and am convinced now, that any church which insists on using the KJV does so because it's the easiest version with which to confound and confuse the general public. Heck, it's written in what is essentially a foreign language! | ||
| Loneviking (Loneviking) |
Lydell, ah---nope, that's not me recommending or using the Ryrie. It's Chuck Swindoll and he's associated with the EV Free churches. Like I said, the cross-references and what notes I've seen looked good. About the only thing I absolutely disagree with in regards to the conservative Southern Baptists is the 'once saved-always saved'. So, maybe that's why the notes don't look so bad to me..................... | ||
| Pheeki (Pheeki) |
Hey, Colleen. What happened to Jude the Obscure aka Max? How come he doesn't post on here anymore. I can tell you knew him personally by reading the archived posts. Is he ok? | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
As per the "Terms and Conditions" posted regarding the forum, we don't give out any information that, because Richard is the webmaster, we might know about forum members. This ensures your privacy. Please don't assume that our silence means anything negative. It's just our policy, and we'll keep anything we might know about any of you private as well! Colleen | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
Quite a while back I read a dream that he (Jude)had on a web page about the prophet John speaking to him in a dream. It was so awesome, but I can't find it. If anyone knows where that is I'd love to read it again. | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Angie, I can truly relate to what you say about turning it over to the Lord because I let the fact that my sister was SDA for over ten years slide before ever really getting into a lot of discussion on the SDA's varied beliefs. The reason I never said a whole lot was because I read the verse that tells us that we are not to judge a person about what they eat or drink or judge them for what day they worship. It wasn't until several years later than I truly understood how 'false' EGW really was and how judgmental the SDAs were when it came to our "Christian" views. I guess it was due partially to the fact that I viewed my sister as a fine person with a lot of scripture knowledge and thought she was already saved since she made confession and got baptized and joined our community's local Baptist Church. Several years later, after having my first really big fuss with my mother as an adult and not communicating with her for almost a year, it was at this time that my sister started to wail about how she was so afraid for all of our family's souls and didn't want us to go to hell. When I told my sister that I couldn't speak for anyone other than myself, but speaking for myself--I knew that I was saved and on my way to heaven; JoAnne just paused her crying and stated "you might know where you are going, but I am not so sure that mother and Jane are." Well, something in my spirit told me that she needed consoling, but instead of consolation and ease, all I got was letters defending the SDAs. My letter was to be first of many that came back and forth through the mail, it was probably over 200 pages (all handwritten by both parties)of various scriptures that were written to support both the Baptist and SDA viewpoints and went on for over two months. I finally sent her a letter that quoted from EGW's book on Child Guidance that showed several false teachings and also mentioned that my sister wasn't obeying "the law" just because of her Sabbath observance and insisted that she read the one law that spoke about "adultery" and that was the last letter that I sent to her for well over five years because she sent my letter back like it wasn't read with "return to sender" on the envelope. When our feud revised last year, I asked her about the returned letter and mentioned that I knew that she had opened it, she admitted that she had and said that it grieved her spirit when she read the part that accused her of adultery. "I" did not accuse her of anything. I quoted scripture and asked her simply what Jesus had to say about people who had divorced and remarried. Scripture is plain enough on the definition and since both she and Ron were in a second marriage with living Xs, then from a scriptural viewpoint, they were in fact committing an act of adultery. Funny how some sins are covered by the blood while the other nine, especially #4, don't fit into the same category of forgiveness. (Forgive me, back to the post, that is another story.) When my sister later came down for the holidays, she was in the floor with her girls and literally came across the room crawling on her knees and hugged me and cried and apologized for the ugly things that were spoken and vowed not to hurt me again. My mother, who stopped speaking to me, had also gotten back on good terms with me. We both promised that we would not let this happen again because everyone was really torn up over the situation. As the devil would have it though, several years later another similar situation came up. I came across an SDA apologetic web site and visited it and decided that, once again, the Holy Spirit was prompting me to forward it on to my mother. I did as I felt was led to do only to get an email assault from my sister who just happened to read my mail to my mother. My mother told her not to address the issue but it fell on deaf ears. My mother prefers to run from issues instead of preparing to meet the issues, she wouldn't even read the 200 pages of manuscript that passed between us several years before, she didn't want to "get into it." Anyway, JoAnne simply had to get on the email trail and responded with such hate that I felt like it was from satan himself. She was so cruel with everything that she said, letter after letter passed between us and again we are "not speaking" because, instead of believing that my intentions are pure and my words are from God and given for her edification, she prefers to believe that I am "crazy" and need to seek professsional help. In her opinion, I am one of the many here at this forum who have truly been deceived by the Catholic doctrines and am willingly taking the mark of the beast and damning myself to hell because "She, EGW, has enlightened me" and now I am no longer in a state of ignorance that God so lovingly "winks" at. I say, like Scarlett O'Hara in Gone With The Wind, "fiddle-de-de" and add to it "oh ye of LITTLE faith". My email to my mother was short and simple and simply stated that I had found several items in the web site that addressed some of the many questions that I had answered to her with notes that I had posted in a book that named the cults and their practices and beliefs in "Kingdom of The Cults". My sister had taken the book before mama got to read any of our discussion questions and responding notes. She called me after taking my book and said that she had taken it so that I wouldn't "confuse" our mother with such nonsense and that it might shake her "newfound" faith by readin all my "LIES". I was told that she was going to take the book home with her and go through all of her SDA books and reply to every "insulting" remark that I had made. I welcomed her debate but never received a word after I agreed to her terms. (I will pause here to say that something similar has been happening to me here at this forum) I have been accused of bringing "Baptist opinion" to this forum as well as my "Baptist beliefs") It appears to me that many who attack me are missing the point entirely because when I take a direct quote from my "KJV" (NO apologies for my use of this version either) and post an answer to a question that someone has specifically asked ME to address then I would ask where the use of the word "Baptist" comes into play? Why is it a Baptist can quote scripture and it gets turned into a Baptist opinion or Baptist doctrine. I even read one of the post in the forum that suggested a particular Bible translation shouldn't be taken seriously because a Southern Baptist had recommended it!!! (Are you for real?) The reason that this person listed for not taking a Baptist seriously was based on our knowledge of the scripture that leads us to the truth of our "eternal security" pleeeease! I have even challenged those who have made such remarks to check out some web sites on the subject, but I wonder if the reason that they don't follow up and visit the site could be based on the fact that a "Baptist" recommended the study, so it must be of "Baptist" opinion as well? Just so you will know--the recommended web site is written by a BROTHER IN CHRIST and is written for his fellow brother's and sister's enlightenment. The people are getting the word out to help us all. It is just like a friend of mine at work told another coworker in one of our "Christian" discussions, I am not ashamed of my denominational connections by any means and will either die or be raptured out of here with that tag written all over me, I am proud to be a Baptist but with my boss man Doug, I say that I would prefer to be remembered as a fellow "Christian". I am just proud to be adopted into the family of God. My big brother Jesus signed the adoption papers in RED!!! Having said that, I will also remind everyone that they need to read what God has to say about "denominational labels" in Ephesians 4:4-7 and ask if they still want to keep using denominational tags as insults to fellow believers in the forum? What does God say in his word here? Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all. But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. I praise God for his grace, it alone is what saved me, and I have an eternal security that no one will ever rob me of. My only prayer would be that all who visit this forum and read my posts would gain that insight from God's word (not mine) and take joy in their salvation. We can all have that blessed hope, for without hope--a man is most miserable (God's words) If a person is saved then I am your sister in Christ, I shouldn't have to apologize to anyone for my religious affiliation. I invite everyone to visit my church's web site at www.mycalvary.net to view what our "religious" beliefs are, and you will find that every belief is supported by the Holy Spirit through his word. I am a defender of "the faith" and will continue to try to show only "scripture references" that support my beliefs. As a line in a country song goes--you have got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything!!! I will say again too that I believe the KJV is the Bible that any serious student of the word should read while studying because several of the newer versions of God's word have omitted verses of text as well as parts of lines within a text. However, for simple reading pleasure for those who are indeed indwelt and led with the Holy Spirit to rightly divide the word to find scriptural proof of what they believe, I know that the Holy Spirit will LEAD you into all spiritual truths, after all, it was the Holy Spirit that led those who were bold enough to step forward with their "findings" of the many errors found in the NIV Bibles in the first place. Like one other person's post said, I simply cannot endorse a book that makes light of many sins, especially homosexuality, and gives a watered down version of what God warns us all about in his Word. I have heard all the arguments by others here and respect your individual opinions, but will always (when asked by anyone) give my full support to the original KJV of God's word. I just remembered one of the posts that made a snide remark about the KJV being a book that was written to confuse the general public. You thought you were being cute but please read what God says in I Corinthians 1:25-31 and you will see that indeed the Bible is not for the 'general public' or as God calls the general public--the world. To the world, God's word will always seem foolish, regardless of the translation. Here is God's word in the KJV Bible. I hope that #### can understand it: 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, [are called]: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, [yea], and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. Many of you may not know but a lot of importance is put into the numbers mentioned in the Bible and when doing a study on numbers, one will more clearly understand why it is important to do serious study from the KJV because many of the other translations realign, combine, or eliminate all together many of the verses in the KJV and it changes the meaning of the numbers. Example: Everyone knows that the number "13" is considered bad luck but not until my study on numbers did I understand why!!! If you study out the number 13 in the KJV, you will find that this is either a chapter # or a verse # where something really bad happened to God's people. Many books have been written, just in case anyone wants to study about the numbers and what they mean to us. Having said all that, I need to get on with the morning before it is all spent. Looking forward to further discussion with the numbers and such. Love to all, Janice | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Angie, I can truly relate to what you say about turning it over to the Lord because I let the fact that my sister was SDA for over ten years slide before ever really getting into a lot of discussion on the SDA's varied beliefs. The reason I never said a whole lot was because I read the verse that tells us that we are not to judge a person about what they eat or drink or judge them for what day they worship. It wasn't until several years later than I truly understood how 'false' EGW really was and how judgmental the SDAs were when it came to our "Christian" views. I guess it was due partially to the fact that I viewed my sister as a fine person with a lot of scripture knowledge and thought she was already saved since she made confession and got baptized and joined our community's local Baptist Church. Several years later, after having my first really big fuss with my mother as an adult and not communicating with her for almost a year, it was at this time that my sister started to wail about how she was so afraid for all of our family's souls and didn't want us to go to hell. When I told my sister that I couldn't speak for anyone other than myself, but speaking for myself--I knew that I was saved and on my way to heaven; JoAnne just paused her crying and stated "you might know where you are going, but I am not so sure that mother and Jane are." Well, something in my spirit told me that she needed consoling, but instead of consolation and ease, all I got was letters defending the SDAs. My letter was to be first of many that came back and forth through the mail, it was probably over 200 pages (all handwritten by both parties)of various scriptures that were written to support both the Baptist and SDA viewpoints and went on for over two months. I finally sent her a letter that quoted from EGW's book on Child Guidance that showed several false teachings and also mentioned that my sister wasn't obeying "the law" just because of her Sabbath observance and insisted that she read the one law that spoke about "adultery" and that was the last letter that I sent to her for well over five years because she sent my letter back like it wasn't read with "return to sender" on the envelope. When our feud revised last year, I asked her about the returned letter and mentioned that I knew that she had opened it, she admitted that she had and said that it grieved her spirit when she read the part that accused her of adultery. "I" did not accuse her of anything. I quoted scripture and asked her simply what Jesus had to say about people who had divorced and remarried. Scripture is plain enough on the definition and since both she and Ron were in a second marriage with living Xs, then from a scriptural viewpoint, they were in fact committing an act of adultery. Funny how some sins are covered by the blood while the other nine, especially #4, don't fit into the same category of forgiveness. (Forgive me, back to the post, that is another story.) When my sister later came down for the holidays, she was in the floor with her girls and literally came across the room crawling on her knees and hugged me and cried and apologized for the ugly things that were spoken and vowed not to hurt me again. My mother, who stopped speaking to me, had also gotten back on good terms with me. We both promised that we would not let this happen again because everyone was really torn up over the situation. As the devil would have it though, several years later another similar situation came up. I came across an SDA apologetic web site and visited it and decided that, once again, the Holy Spirit was prompting me to forward it on to my mother. I did as I felt was led to do only to get an email assault from my sister who just happened to read my mail to my mother. My mother told her not to address the issue but it fell on deaf ears. My mother prefers to run from issues instead of preparing to meet the issues, she wouldn't even read the 200 pages of manuscript that passed between us several years before, she didn't want to "get into it." Anyway, JoAnne simply had to get on the email trail and responded with such hate that I felt like it was from satan himself. She was so cruel with everything that she said, letter after letter passed between us and again we are "not speaking" because, instead of believing that my intentions are pure and my words are from God and given for her edification, she prefers to believe that I am "crazy" and need to seek professsional help. In her opinion, I am one of the many here at this forum who have truly been deceived by the Catholic doctrines and am willingly taking the mark of the beast and damning myself to hell because "She, EGW, has enlightened me" and now I am no longer in a state of ignorance that God so lovingly "winks" at. I say, like Scarlett O'Hara in Gone With The Wind, "fiddle-de-de" and add to it "oh ye of LITTLE faith". My email to my mother was short and simple and simply stated that I had found several items in the web site that addressed some of the many questions that I had answered to her with notes that I had posted in a book that named the cults and their practices and beliefs in "Kingdom of The Cults". My sister had taken the book before mama got to read any of our discussion questions and responding notes. She called me after taking my book and said that she had taken it so that I wouldn't "confuse" our mother with such nonsense and that it might shake her "newfound" faith by readin all my "LIES". I was told that she was going to take the book home with her and go through all of her SDA books and reply to every "insulting" remark that I had made. I welcomed her debate but never received a word after I agreed to her terms. (I will pause here to say that something similar has been happening to me here at this forum) I have been accused of bringing "Baptist opinion" to this forum as well as my "Baptist beliefs") It appears to me that many who attack me are missing the point entirely because when I take a direct quote from my "KJV" (NO apologies for my use of this version either) and post an answer to a question that someone has specifically asked ME to address then I would ask where the use of the word "Baptist" comes into play? Why is it a Baptist can quote scripture and it gets turned into a Baptist opinion or Baptist doctrine. I even read one of the post in the forum that suggested a particular Bible translation shouldn't be taken seriously because a Southern Baptist had recommended it!!! (Are you for real?) The reason that this person listed for not taking a Baptist seriously was based on our knowledge of the scripture that leads us to the truth of our "eternal security" pleeeease! I have even challenged those who have made such remarks to check out some web sites on the subject, but I wonder if the reason that they don't follow up and visit the site could be based on the fact that a "Baptist" recommended the study, so it must be of "Baptist" opinion as well? Just so you will know--the recommended web site is written by a BROTHER IN CHRIST and is written for his fellow brother's and sister's enlightenment. The people are getting the word out to help us all. It is just like a friend of mine at work told another coworker in one of our "Christian" discussions, I am not ashamed of my denominational connections by any means and will either die or be raptured out of here with that tag written all over me, I am proud to be a Baptist but with my boss man Doug, I say that I would prefer to be remembered as a fellow "Christian". I am just proud to be adopted into the family of God. My big brother Jesus signed the adoption papers in RED!!! Having said that, I will also remind everyone that they need to read what God has to say about "denominational labels" in Ephesians 4:4-7 and ask if they still want to keep using denominational tags as insults to fellow believers in the forum? What does God say in his word here? Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all. But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. I praise God for his grace, it alone is what saved me, and I have an eternal security that no one will ever rob me of. My only prayer would be that all who visit this forum and read my posts would gain that insight from God's word (not mine) and take joy in their salvation. We can all have that blessed hope, for without hope--a man is most miserable (God's words) If a person is saved then I am your sister in Christ, I shouldn't have to apologize to anyone for my religious affiliation. I invite everyone to visit my church's web site at www.mycalvary.net to view what our "religious" beliefs are, and you will find that every belief is supported by the Holy Spirit through his word. I am a defender of "the faith" and will continue to try to show only "scripture references" that support my beliefs. As a line in a country song goes--you have got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything!!! I will say again too that I believe the KJV is the Bible that any serious student of the word should read while studying because several of the newer versions of God's word have omitted verses of text as well as parts of lines within a text. However, for simple reading pleasure for those who are indeed indwelt and led with the Holy Spirit to rightly divide the word to find scriptural proof of what they believe, I know that the Holy Spirit will LEAD you into all spiritual truths, after all, it was the Holy Spirit that led those who were bold enough to step forward with their "findings" of the many errors found in the NIV Bibles in the first place. Like one other person's post said, I simply cannot endorse a book that makes light of many sins, especially homosexuality, and gives a watered down version of what God warns us all about in his Word. I have heard all the arguments by others here and respect your individual opinions, but will always (when asked by anyone) give my full support to the original KJV of God's word. I just remembered one of the posts that made a snide remark about the KJV being a book that was written to confuse the general public. You thought you were being cute but please read what God says in I Corinthians 1:25-31 and you will see that indeed the Bible is not for the 'general public' or as God calls the general public--the world. To the world, God's word will always seem foolish, regardless of the translation. Here is God's word in the KJV Bible. I hope that #### can understand it: 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, [are called]: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, [yea], and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. Many of you may not know but a lot of importance is put into the numbers mentioned in the Bible and when doing a study on numbers, one will more clearly understand why it is important to do serious study from the KJV because many of the other translations realign, combine, or eliminate all together many of the verses in the KJV and it changes the meaning of the numbers. Example: Everyone knows that the number "13" is considered bad luck but not until my study on numbers did I understand why!!! If you study out the number 13 in the KJV, you will find that this is either a chapter # or a verse # where something really bad happened to God's people. Many books have been written, just in case anyone wants to study about the numbers and what they mean to us. Having said all that, I need to get on with the morning before it is all spent. Looking forward to further discussion with the numbers and such. Love to all, Janice | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
I don't know how I just did that!!! Sorry about the double post, Susan did the same thing this week. Maybe we needed to hear it twice, suppose? Janice | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
Janice, much of what you wroye above about what you are going through with your sister and mother rings almost identical to many of us on this forum. I ttended St. Johm's Lutheran for nearly two years before asking the paster to grant me membership. At the Lutheran it is taught very strongly that all who profess Jeaus and teach some basics of Christianity, such as the Trinity are all of One Body. That it is o.k. to have different denominations because different worship styles appeal to different people, there are cultural and regional differences and traditions, there are just various personal preferences regartding worship styles. This is why the Lutheran are so very involved in Ecuminical projects. But getting back to your issues with your sister and your mother. I think most of us have had great difficulty with our kin over this SDA vs. Bible Christian teachings. I sure do know I am getting it from my mom as well as one cousin. Pheeki is getting it from some family members, too. My mother just yelled at me in an accusing tone of voice, "So, now you've decided that when the Sabbath-keepers get persucated for following the Bible and doing what's right you'll join in!" And then she got a very mocking tone in her voice and yelled at me, "Now won't that be such fun! You'll finilly get to persucate others for the truth you've left behind. Won't that just make you so happy! Won't that make you feel so good about yourself! But, Susan, it won't last long because Jesus will be coming REAL SOON and He'll take care of the ones who persucated the Sabbath-keepers". It was AWFUL! | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Oh Susan, That is so awful, I know that must have hurt you terribly. It is like some kind of evil demon is speaking through them or something. I told my sister that it was like I never knew her at all. When I quoted the verse about one faith, one church, etc. It was like water on a duck's back, she chimed back at me that she made no apology for stating that EGW was sent to 'her' church. I just can't express how deeply it cuts to have someone that you grew up with turn so vicious and make such statements that are so clearly opposed to what the Bible teaches. I have really felt drawn to all of you who are going through the same thing, I simply cannot imagine what it would be like to have my own husband say such things as I have read about in the forum. It is so hard to be living in these last days especially when we can see all the signs of Christ's imminent return taking place on a daily basis. I had been sitting back on my laurels, so to speak, and letting this thing ride out when my preacher started doing his study and presenting it to us on Sunday nights about the countries involved in this war talk and comparing the old names with the new, he did maps and everything and knowing that our nephew was in Afganistan getting ready for the war was not making it any easier to sit and listen to, praise God though that he got home last week and hopefully won't have to go back. The study renewed my desire to reach my family once again, but again I met with so much resistance that I turned it over to the Lord again, and with one last letter to my sister asking her to join us at this site, I am turning it over to God. I had asked my preacher for some information to pass along to the forum concerning the NIV studies that he had and he said that he would give me the notes tomorrow at church but also warned that all any of us can do is show what we know and pray that it be received in the heart that it was given. I just have such a hard time trying not to help God out, so, I guess I am not that much different from the SDAs in my way of thinking that God needs my help to accomplish anything. After all, Jesus did it all over 2000 years ago and like he says 'My sheep hear my voice and obey' (Like one of these studies I did, it mentioned that the "10" were certainly not the only commandments that God gave.)He also said to love one another and preach the gospel to everyone. I am trying my best to hear him now and will be praying for each of you as you continue to try and reach SDA loved ones who need to hear the truth. Love from Janice | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Oh Susan, That is so awful, I know that must have hurt you terribly. It is like some kind of evil demon is speaking through them or something. I told my sister that it was like I never knew her at all. When I quoted the verse about one faith, one church, etc. It was like water on a duck's back, she chimed back at me that she made no apology for stating that EGW was sent to 'her' church. I just can't express how deeply it cuts to have someone that you grew up with turn so vicious and make such statements that are so clearly opposed to what the Bible teaches. I have really felt drawn to all of you who are going through the same thing, I simply cannot imagine what it would be like to have my own husband say such things as I have read about in the forum. It is so hard to be living in these last days especially when we can see all the signs of Christ's imminent return taking place on a daily basis. I had been sitting back on my laurels, so to speak, and letting this thing ride out when my preacher started doing his study and presenting it to us on Sunday nights about the countries involved in this war talk and comparing the old names with the new, he did maps and everything and knowing that our nephew was in Afganistan getting ready for the war was not making it any easier to sit and listen to, praise God though that he got home last week and hopefully won't have to go back. The study renewed my desire to reach my family once again, but again I met with so much resistance that I turned it over to the Lord again, and with one last letter to my sister asking her to join us at this site, I am turning it over to God. I had asked my preacher for some information to pass along to the forum concerning the NIV studies that he had and he said that he would give me the notes tomorrow at church but also warned that all any of us can do is show what we know and pray that it be received in the heart that it was given. I just have such a hard time trying not to help God out, so, I guess I am not that much different from the SDAs in my way of thinking that God needs my help to accomplish anything. After all, Jesus did it all over 2000 years ago and like he says 'My sheep hear my voice and obey' (Like one of these studies I did, it mentioned that the "10" were certainly not the only commandments that God gave.)He also said to love one another and preach the gospel to everyone. I am trying my best to hear him now and will be praying for each of you as you continue to try and reach SDA loved ones who need to hear the truth. Love from Janice | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
Why am I doing these double post today? This is twice that I did that. Sorry everybody, Janice | ||
| Another_Carol (Another_Carol) |
Janice, I would like to just say one thing about this Bible translation. It is not so much the translation as it is the interpretation. SDA's (my son-in-law at least, up until he left the house) used only NKJV and yet he could get anything out of that "he" wanted because he used interpretation from EGW's writings. I say he used EGW's writings because you cannot come up with things such as Investigative Judgment by just reading your Bible. But I know that I and many others can and do come up with; Jesus Christ is our Salvation alone by using the Bible alone. I also know that I knew from where my salvation came before I even started studing the Bible. I used one that had a concordance in it and also some helps to help me understand such things as the sacrificial system OT vs NT. This Bible that I started with was a New American Standard. It happened to be one that was left at our house during funeral preparations for our daughter-in-law since it was her Bible. I now have a KJV and I have shared previously why I have that so I will not repeat myself again. I just want to make the point that if we belabor the point of which Bible is best and this one is no good etc. etc. what will that do to someone who has come to Christ using the Bible you are attacking. I know which Bible my daughter was using when she asked God what she should do and she opened her Bible to Galatians and it was not a KJV. I do not say that to say that you are all wrong in believing the KJV is the best I just say be careful because so as not to make a person wonder if they really were in fact saved since they might be using the "wrong" translation. I hope you have heard what is in my heart since it is rather hard to explain. It's in the heart not in words,is it not? Thanks for listening and again please do not believe that I want an agrument or want to say that you are wrong and someone else is right, I just like to share and thru sharing we all learn. If this had only happened with our son-in-law we would still be a happy family, but no sharing means no exchange of ideas and I am seeing more and more as I read these posts from people who have been in the cluthes of this religion and come out how in fact this is exactly what has happened. ie they cannot excange ideas because as far as they are concerned theirs is the only ideas worth looking at. Hope to share more with you, and I pray that as we are all in Christ as 2 Cor.3 states the veil is lifted, that we too might be able to agree to disagree because we can because of Him, letting the only that matters be His death, burial and resurrection. Carol |
