| Author | Message | ||
| Angie (Angie) |
Well he still hasn't cut it off!He told me to get a job if I wanted to keep it and cable.So I said ok,I guess I'll go get a job so that I can pay for all my 'worldly'wants!lol,So yesterday I did and started today!!So I guess i'm safe for now,until he claims his 'head of the household' role!Yes Susan,we have to pay that monthly bill!! | ||
| Sabra (Sabra) |
Angie, I have a 4 bedroom house, my husband is always gone, he is here like 3 or 4 days a month and I live about 30 minutes from you just other side of Soddy, so call me anytime and if you need to bring your kids and your bags and stay as long as you like. I'm not saying divorce or separation is a good thing, but I am saying that control is a bad thing. No judge in Dayton would give your kids to a nutty SDA, he better remember that. My number is well, that might be a bad idea since whacko BS is lurking.....e-mail me. reedsome05@aol.com Take care of yourself! Sabra | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
I have a question. Didn´t egw say something about the moons orbiting Juipter? In todays LA Times isa headline thatsays, ¨More moons found orbiting Juipter. Now over 60¨. Any comments? | ||
| Thomas1 (Thomas1) |
If memory serves, her "wisdom" was regarding the "tall men of Jupiter", and the (wrong number) of moons around Saturn. | ||
| Steve (Steve) |
Here's some interesting tidbits directly from EGW: Mrs. White, while in vision, began to talk about the stars, giving a glowing description of rosy-tinted belts which she saw across the surface of some planet, and added, "I see four moons." {1BIO 113.4} "Oh," said Elder Bates, "she is viewing Jupiter!" Then having made motions as though traveling through space, she began giving a description of belts and rings in their ever-varying beauty, and said, "I see seven moons." {1BIO 113.5} Elder Bates exclaimed, "She is describing Saturn." {1BIO 113.6} Next came the description of Uranus, with its six moons; then a wonderful description of the "opening heavens," with its glory, calling it an opening into a region more enlightened. Elder Bates said that her description far surpassed any account of the opening heavens he had ever read from any author. {1BIO 113.7} _______________________________________________ Hmmmm, kinda scary! EGW giving a description of Ur*** never mind. The following is kinda long, but it really shows how she describes other planets in purely earthly fashion. _______________________________________________ The Lord has given me a view of other worlds. Wings were given me, and an angel attended me from the city to a place that was bright and glorious. The grass of the place was living green, and the birds there warbled a sweet song. The inhabitants of the place were of all sizes, they were noble, majestic and lovely. They bore the express image of Jesus, and their countenances beamed with holy joy, expressive of the freedom and happiness of the place. I asked one of them why they were so much more lovely than those on the earth. The reply was--"we have lived in strict obedience to the commandments of God, and have not fallen by disobedience, like those on the earth." Then I saw two trees, one looked much like the tree of life in the city. The fruit of both looked beautiful; but of one they could not eat. They had power to eat of both, but were forbidden to eat of one. Then my attending angel said to me--"none in this place have tasted of the forbidden tree; but if they should eat they would fall." Then I was taken to a world which had seven moons. There I saw good old Enoch, who had been translated. On his right arm he bore a glorious palm, and on each leaf was written Victory. Around his head was a dazzling white wreath, and leaves on the wreath, and in the middle of each was written Purity; and around the leaf were stones of various colors, that shone brighter than the stars, and cast a reflection upon the letters, and magnified them. On the back part of his head was a bow that confined the wreath, and upon the bow was written Holiness. Above the wreath was a lovely crown that shone brighter than the sun. I asked him if this was the place he was taken to from the earth. He said, "It is not; but the city is my home, and I have come to visit this place." He moved about the place as if perfectly at home. I begged of my attending angel to let me remain in that place. I could not bear the thought of coming back to this dark world again. Then the angel said--"you must go back, and if you are faithful, you, with the 144,000 shall have the privilege of visiting all the worlds and viewing the handy work of God." {Broadside2, January 31, 1849 par. 8} __________________________________________________ So, the people on these planets are living in "holy joy" because they never partook of the forbidden fruit? Strange. Why aren't they happy because they're living in God's presence? BECAUSE, EGW WANTED TO STRENGTHEN THE SDAs IN OBEDIENCE TO THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT and NOTHING ELSE. Steve | ||
| Janice (Janice) |
I just caught the joke about UR**** and remembered hearing that description in a movie once where some kid was making fun of a child genius that studied astronomy. That was a good remark concerning EGW, kinda of like a private joke that I have going with a few here in the forum about the B.S. from B.S., sorry but sometimes we seem to try and laugh at these things in order to keep from crying, that's my thoughts on it anyway. I have been going back and reading a lot of the posts here and I see how much I have learned in such a short time since joining the FAF. I hope that some of you have gotten some good from some of my posts as well. Like Denise says though, all we can do is pray because we have already given the truth to our friends and loved ones. It is only by the working of the Holy Spirit that "opens" the eyes of the blind, we can still thank God that we are no longer in opposition to the truth of the gospel and like the Epistles say "now that we have the truth, let us STAND in the truth" because we know that no one is able to separate us from Christ now, if for no other reason than this one--we are "IN" Christ, AMEN. What a revelation to grab hold of, and what joy and peace we have when we do catch hold of it all. God bless, Janice | ||
| Amt (Amt) |
"abstain from watching movies in public theaters (these same movies may be viewed in Adventist gyms, schools, fellowship halls or in private homes but never in theaters)"-posted by Lori This is one of the Adventist don'ts that has bothered me and I have questioned ever since I was 10 y/o. Anyone I asked never gave me a satisfying answer as to why it is evil to watch movies in the movie theater (for example: Free Willy, the Sound of Music, Annie, etc) when it is perfectly alright to watch it thru your VCR or TV at home or at they gym or classroom. Some of the answers I was given were: 1."Oh it's dark in a movie theater. You don't know if a kidnapper or rapist or a hold upper is hiding among the shadows" Possible but not enough to ban it altogether. If that were the case let's all just stay at home with all the lights on. 2. "In watching a movie in the dark theater with a boy, put's you closer to temptation." That is just silly. You guys tell me. None of these answers could convince why watching movies is evil. | ||
| Freeatlast (Freeatlast) |
My mom told me it was because, even if the movie was acceptable, I might see something unacceptable during the previews for other movies. | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
The ban on movies came from Ellen's ban on the theater, which was, in her day, LIVE! Of course, Adventists now have few qualms about live theater and include a drama department in most Adventist colleges. The problem with losing the ban is that in order to lose it officially, they'd have to say that the prophet was mistaken or merely reflecting a fairly common attitude toward theater for her generation among religious people (which she was). The problem with that, of course, is that they then have admitted that the prophet ("messenger", as she liked to be called!) who stated she was shown her messages by God or his representative was actually NOT divinely inspired. The only solution is to rationalize, avoid teaching the younger generations that the ban came from EGW (did you know that, Amt?), and explain to those who know where it came from that we understand her concerns and have learned to reapply them in a modern world. It's all "smoke and mirrors" to avoid admitting that EGW was not truly inspired when she said she was. In the meantime, the ban is still taught but without adequate explanation, and people are left with a feeling of guilt without knowing where it's coming from. That's more devastating than the truth! Once you know the truth, THEN you can deal with issues of discernment in connection with entertainment. Praising God for truth and light, Colleen | ||
| Amt (Amt) |
Hi, Colleen!!! Ooops! I forgot to mention that. That was the #1 reason why we shouldn't watch movies-because EGW said so. It is sad though that a lot of people my age or at least close to it refuse get on with the times, so to speak. Our choir leader in the former SDA church I used to attend refused to watch movies with us for fear of being a bad example to the younger kids. | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
My dad passed away several months ago at age 93. He was born into a sda family and never strayed from sda'ism. He was taught that egw said it is a sin to ride a bicycle. then he once asked a sda minister when he was a young man what is so wrong about riding a bicycle. The minister said that egw was just using the bicycle as an exa,mple and that statement was not to be taken litterally. That what she really ment was not to get taken with following the fads. I say that is just plain stupid. If she said not to ride a bike she must have ment to not ride a bike. Otherwise one could trun it around and say that when she said to keep the Sabbath she ment it in principle, to put aside some time for holy convocation. The sda's will make up whatever sduits them at the time that they think sounds good. | ||
| Dennis (Dennis) |
Last Sunday I taught THE SEVENTH DAY IN CREATION at our Life Track Sunday School Class (Genesis 2), I quoted some of the following outrageous and startling directives from Ellen White: THOUGHTS THAT LEGALIZE "We would charge all not to wash their dishes on the Sabbath..." (Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, May 25, 1882). "Women should be educated and qualified just as thoroughly as possible to become practitioners in the delicate diseases which afflict women, that their secret parts should not be exposed to the notice of men...It is a most horrible experience, this revealing the secret parts of women to men, or men being treated by women." (Kress Collection, p. 23) "I have been shown that the true followers of Jesus will discard picnics, donations, shows, and other gatherings for pleasure." (Testimonies, vol. 1, p. 288) "Many carelessly put off blackening their boots, and SHAVING, until after the beginning of the Sabbath. This should not be. If any neglect to do such work on a working day, they should have respect enough for God's holy time to let their BEARDS REMAIN UNSHAVEN, their boots rough and brown, until the Sabbath is past." (Letter 104, 1901) "A view of things was presented before me in which the students were playing games of TENNIS and CRICKET. Then I was given instruction regarding the character of these amusements. They were presented to me as a species of idolatry, like the idols of the nations." (Counsels to Parents, Teachers, and Students, p. 350) "Parents should be the only teachers of their children until they have reached EIGHT to TEN years of age...The only schoolroom for children from eight to ten years of age should be in the open air amid opening flowers and nature's beautiful scenery. And their only textbook should be the treasures of nature." (Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 137) "One time while in Australia, a brother who had been acting as a missionary in the islands, told mother of the sickness and death of his first-born son. He was seriously afflicted with malaria, and his father was advised to give him quinine, but in view of counsel in the testimonies to avoid the use of quinine he refused to administer it, and his son DIED." (W. C. White letter, Sept. 10, 1935) Commenting about those that masturbate, Ellen White forcefully declares "Such are just as surely self-murderers as though they pointed a pistol to their own breast, and destroyed their life instantly." (Appeal to Mothers, 1864) NOTE: Apparently, the human family has practiced MASS SUICIDE as its normative pattern of behavior (smile). Although these Ellen White revelations are somewhat humorous and off-the-wall, it does not deter her devotees from still attempting to defend them. How could we have believed all these things for so many years? Dennis J. Fischer | ||
| Steve (Steve) |
Aww, man! I love picnics. But I guess EGW must have thought that Adam & Eve were sinning the whole time they were in the Garden of Eden, especially if they ever took a picnic. And tennis? Not much left. And Cricket? Can't go fishin' anymore. (Hee, hee) I guess I'll have to use those left-over oysters that EGW was munching on. Steve | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
Dennis, thanks for sharing that collection of--well, horrifying quotes. Like you, I still marvel that we were able to ignore the blatantly untrue things and still consider her prophetic. I remember that I used to struggle with some of her "counsels", such as the advice against certain sports and pastimes-including bowling, which many SDA's actually do--and trying to figure out if she might have some germ of truth there that I was willfully ignoring. I always participated in such things (if I did at all) with a bit of guilt or cognitive dissonance in the background. After all, there must have been SOME principle God was trying to communicate to us...! Thanks again, Dennis. There's nothing like seeing several of her "inspired councils" all together. Praise God for freeing us! Colleen | ||
| Susan_2 (Susan_2) |
The Hertiage Singers have a song on their children's album called, "There's Gonna Be A Picnuc In Heaven". Did the sda review committee thjat approves of what songs can go on the albums prtomoted by sda musical groups miss that song? | ||
| Jerry (Jerry) |
A PICNIC SONG!?!?!?! . . . by an Adventist group!?!?!? HERESY !!!! BLASPHEMY !!!! Burn ëem at the stake!!! (Oh, wait . . . that might be close to cooking meat . . .) Stuff ëem into an oyster trap!!! (Yeah. . . yeah, thatís better.)  | ||
| Dennis (Dennis) |
Colleen, The General Conference MV Department had a brochure against bowling in the 1960s. I remember this publication from my Union College days. It was available on a literature rack in the Religion Department. Yes, I thoroughly read it and reread it--being I was underpaid for cleaning those offices daily (smile). Am I gettin' old or somethin'? God forbid! Dennis J. Fischer | ||
| Steve (Steve) |
Dennis, Thank God my parents didn't raise me with any religious background. As a child, my parents used to tell me that when it rained, it was God . . . well, never mind. But when it THUNDERED it was God bowling. So I was taught from an early age that bowling is OK with God. Good thing the GC never got to my parents. ______________________________ Jerry, you crack me up. I'll be laughing over that one for a long time. Steve | ||
| Colleentinker (Colleentinker) |
I love the oyster trap, Jerry! Colleen | ||
| Charlene_2 (Charlene_2) |
Dear Colleen, Sorry I have been disconnected for a while. My aol contract had expired and I had been out of town. Glad to get back and see that the site is running well and blessed. A biblically questioning mind is a discerned mind. I have a new thought for you. I am involved in a local Christain TV station. I have come to recently see the new fascination with jewish laws and "blessings" associated with keeping those laws i.e. Sabbath, meat abst., even festivals. This is very frightning for me, a former SDA. However, my evangelical Brothers and Sisters in Christ do not see the danger. When I speak to them of Galations they say the blessings are irrevocable. This "Jewish-Christian" movement is sweeping rapidly. It is dangeriously close to undermineing the Cross. Also, TBN, as you know, still programs Mark Finley and "Living". Ironically, this new "Jewish-Christian" movement is also embraced by many escotology evangelicals . Go figure. I must say, I have learned more about jewish customs and history by these evangelical teachers than my former SDA professors. Don't get me wrong, I am interested in our Jewish roots and have great realtionships with many Jewish people. That is not the issue. This new wave of salvation PLUS+ (Jewish customs,days, etc.) sounds too close to SDA's. I have read Sam Pestes work on this issue. Any thoughts from you. yours in Christ, Charlene |
