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Raven
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Username: Raven
Post Number: 163
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 7:07 pm: |     |
That's right, I guess they were called "investment labels." I don't remember participating in any investment projects. It was sort of like school fundraising projects--the leader always encouraged participation, but I never did much of anything that required marketing skills! To this day, I still hate to sell anything or ask anyone for money. Although I did do Ingathering for several years as a kid--the best part was the hot chocolate on our return. We always had a memorized speech for Ingathering, and I remember feeling like a little robot saying my speech, waiting for the response (positive or negative) and then moving on. |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 922
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 7:49 pm: | |
Talking about foot washing brought something to my mind. I think it is funny. My son went to SDA school and the teacher and I had a disagreement so she took it out on my son and treated him rotten. I took him out of SDA school and put him in public school. Church friends would tell me I was wrong to do that. Didn't I know what Mrs W said. Back to foot washing. It was about a year after I took my son out of the SDA school and I went to church occasionally. One sabbath we were told the next week would be communion sabbath. I decided to ask my son's former teacher if I could wash her feet. I was going to do it just to show her that I was the better person. I was not very humble & I wanted revenge. I prayed about it and let God decide what was best and I asked her the following sabbath and she accepted. We washed each others feet and I told her how well my son was doing in public school. She did not say much. I found that I really was better not getting revenge and that God would handle her in his time. Oh, BTW, my friends who told me I should not take my son out of the SDA school took their kids out 2 years after I did and put their kids in public school. They told me they should have done it when I did.
God always shows me how awesome He is.
Diana |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1239
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 8:54 pm: | |
Diana, what a funny story, but what a wonderful effect it had on your life! And Ric--I'm still chuckling over your non-comments re: Raven's stubborn and rebellious streaks! H-m-m-m-the things we can say with technology between us!
Chris, your investment potholders make me laugh--not because I did them, but somehow just the picture of "little Chris" doing potholders sums up this entire odd tradition.
I still have traumatic memories over the only investment project I remember (although I know I had others--I must have!) When I was about 5, my father brought home two ducklings. One was a little yellow fluff ball; the other was a baby mallard. (Dad was a physical therapist, and he had obtained the birds from a patient.)
I named them Fluffy and Spreckles, and I raised them in the back yard. (Well, actually, I think my mother did most of the raising--I was only five.) They were my pets, although I knew they were my "investment project". During the summer they grew into handsome ducks. Fluffy became white with a bright orange bill, and Spreckles was a female mallard with blue bars on her wings.
In November, my parents disclosed to me the fact that my ducks could not well survive the winter as outdoor birds. Besides, they were my investment project. Consequently, they sold them to the neighbor over the back fence.
I was devastated when they told me Fluffy and Spreckles had been our neighbor's Thanksgiving dinner. But I bravely walked up front of "big Sabbath School" to turn in my investment offering on 13th Sabbath!
Colleen |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 924
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 9:04 pm: | |
I do not remember doing anything as a kid for investment. My parents did not emphasize it so I did not either.
As an adult I told God I would give for investment what ever overtime I worked on the job. Well, I did not work overtime. Guess, God was trying to tell me something as a young adult. I used to feel really guilty for not having an investment project. That guilt left a long time ago. Thank you God, you are awesome.
Diana |
Chris
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Username: Chris
Post Number: 553
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 6:43 am: | |
Funny story about Fluffy and Spreckles, Colleen! My wife and I were reminiscing about investment projects last night. My wife mused, "The word 'investment' has a totally different definition for Adventist".
I can't even begin to imagine how difficult Adventism is to understand from the outside looking in or for a new convert. It's a seperate culture and the language barriar is real.
In fact, I suspect the language barriar is part of what keeps evangelicals from realizing the true nature of Adventism. Much of Adventism's language sounds like the language of Christianity, but it's largely been redefined.
Chris |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 454
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 9:17 am: | |
I think the Fluffy and Speckles story must have been terribly traumatic for you! Hope that paltry amount of money was worth it for them! What a memory that left you with! |
Raven
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Username: Raven
Post Number: 168
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 1:57 pm: | |
Colleen--And no one had a problem with how the investment money was earned--essentially selling meat? (Is duck even clean meat?) That's interesting, because when I was on the Home & School board at the local SDA school, someone recommended using Schwan's as a fundraiser. For those who aren't familiar, that's where people order their own groceries and pay for it, and then pick it up at the school when it comes in. A portion of the funds is donated to the school. That idea was immediately disallowed because "there would be no way to control whether or not someone ordered meat"! That was amazing to me, because I didn't see how that was any business of the school's. |
Chris
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Username: Chris
Post Number: 558
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 2:11 pm: | |
Duck as a clean or unclean meat is one of those legalistic controversies that has been swirling in Adventism for decades.
It's not clear from the food laws, but the only other water fowl mentioned is unclean so I personally come down firmly and dogmatically on the unclean side of the argument. :-)
Chris
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Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 253
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 2:55 pm: | |
virtualjerusalem.com says: "There are no specific kosher criteria regarding birds. Rather, the Torah lists particular birds as forbidden by name. As all the birds on the list are birds of prey or scavengers, the rabbis inferred that this was the criteria, so all birds of prey are forbidden. Other birds, such as chicken, geese, ducks, and turkeys are permitted."--http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/food/kosherbeat/?disp_feature=/amaa0c.var
Jeremy |
Chris
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Username: Chris
Post Number: 561
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 3:06 pm: | |
Jeremy, you're wrong, wrong, wrong and a terrible blasphemer besides. The Bible clearly states:
13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, 14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind; 15 Every raven after his kind; 16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind, 17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, 18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, 19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
Lev 11:13-19 (KJV)
Note that the duck is most similar to the following birds: ospray, the cormorant, the swan, the pelican, the stork, and the heron. All water fowl. How could even SUGGEST that someone could eat a duck? What does Sister White say about this anyway. I'm sure if you research Sister White a little more thoroughly you'll see you're wrong.
LOT'S of smiley faces after this tongue-in-cheek post :-) :-)
Sad to say, I've heard similar arguments for real.
Chris |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1248
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 7:24 pm: | |
Ha! You all really do make me laugh! I'm pleased, Raven, to notice that according to the list Chris quoted, your life is safe!
I'm astonished that you could even question whether Fluffy and Spreckles might have been unclean. The idea!
In fact, my mother--begotten as she was of European parents who converted to Adventism--never learned that ducks might be unclean. I think she and her parents operated on the principle of "if the Bible doesn't specifically name the unclean animal, don't ask..." She was clear on pigs and shellfish, but I do remember that we actually ate Fluffy and Spreckles' eggs before their untimely deaths.
And Chris, I 100% believe you are right about the semantics issue. I'm convinced the Christian world doesn't understand how deeply twisted Adventism is because of their words. They absolutely do have their private definitions for words Christians use in completely different ways.
Sigh.
Colleen |
Raven
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Username: Raven
Post Number: 172
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 7:47 pm: | |
Thanks for pointing out my life is safe, Colleen...I hadn't noticed. What a relief! |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 928
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 8:01 pm: | |
All of you. I like your way with words and your sense of humor. I am sitting here laughing as I read the posts above. Thank God I do not have to worry about clean and unclean any more.
God is awesome in all He does.
Diana |
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