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Violet
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Username: Violet
Post Number: 366
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 12:07 pm: |     |
Ric,
I too have been "trumped" by someone being a 4th generation Adventist. Like they knew more about life than me a 3rd generation. I gues my degree of black belt was not as good. |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 2493
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:30 pm: | |
I was always treated as a second class citizen, as an SDA. My parents were not wealthy and sent me to SDA schools. I had to work for an education I wanted, but not at the schools I wanted. I went to college at an SDA college, because I did not want to disappoint God by going to a secular college, so college was my choice.
I, foolishly, thought that once I graduated from Loma Linda, I would be accepted any where I went. That was not the truth.
Thank God, that is in the past. I am constantly amazed how other Christians accept me because I am a Christian. Thank you God for placing me where you want me. You are always awesome.
Diana |
Cw
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Username: Cw
Post Number: 27
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:42 pm: | |
I get the feeling I'm less "lowly" thought of than y'all in that I am not a "former". I'm just an outsider, right? Well, for what it's worth, I'll hang my hat with you folks anytime. I've heard that a man, or woman, with an argument is at the mercy of one with an experience. I figure all these really great sayings should be in 2nd Hezekiah between 2nd Samuel and 1st kings. Kind of like "that which does not kill me makes me stronger". Sorry, I digress. Anyway you formers certainly have the experience and knowledge. With the true Word of God on your side as well you're awesome. CW |
Violet
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Username: Violet
Post Number: 367
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 3:20 pm: | |
Now my claim to fame is "I was raised in one of the biggest cults in the United States, until in my early 30's God opened my eyes and I found Jesus."
I think what hurts the most is no one believes it is a cult. |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 1367
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 3:29 pm: | |
Cw, I'm right there with you. But a never-was in cahoots with a former is worse than a plain never-was.
I had a friend who converted to adventism because of the sabbath issue and left because of the gospel 15 years later. When B met him, he said he never really understood adventism or he wouldn't have left. I asked him how many years one had to be adventist before he was "good enough" to have learned their teachings...but he just thinks I'm being argumentative when I challenge him like that. He never answers the question or he starts trying to backpeddle like he never said what I usually have in writing that he did. When i pull it up and send it back to him, he just ignores me.
But B is 3rd generation and knows more about how his grandparents "found the truth" than he knows anything else about them. My friend mentioned above used to relate it to being "thoroughbred". He readily understood the classification by generations and also knew the mis-trust for the first geners. It's another one of those very confusing things for us "never was-ers" to figure out. I wonder if other cult groups do that. |
Cw
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Username: Cw
Post Number: 30
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 5:23 pm: | |
Well okay Melissa! We'll call ourselves "1st generation never was-ers in cahoots with formers". We can take the heat. I've heard people give testimonies in church and say "I really don't have a good testimony because God didn't have to save me out of drugs, or porn or adultry". That IS their testimony and they need to proclaim it. Probably some of us on this forum would love to not have the scars that our sins have left us with. If I can't be a former I'll at least support them and thank God I have them to go to with my questions. They seem to give pretty honest and informed answers and I think we're in pretty good company here. And from what I understand other cult groups are just as hard on their formers. I think it's a common trait. CW |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 3846
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 5:56 pm: | |
Violet, I so agree.
Colleen |
Violet
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Username: Violet
Post Number: 368
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 6:30 pm: | |
CW, its seems to go "You are for us or against us" unfortunataly "us" is the SDA orginization and not the body of Christ
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Cw
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Username: Cw
Post Number: 31
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 9:41 pm: | |
Violet, in my daughter's junior or senior year at the Christian high school she attended, and unfortunately so did her SDA boyfriend J, she had a Bible teacher who told his class that SDA is a cult. I don't know if J was in that particular class or not but my daughter was. Upon hearing that I thought at the time the teacher was ill-informed. Turns out the (not-so-funny) joke is on me and my family as this is causing problems. You're right , no one believes it is a cult. |
Sabra
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Username: Sabra
Post Number: 396
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 8:25 am: | |
For fairness sake, it was "letters to the editor" so it was some outsider writing the paragraph, not the SDA paper.
I think SDA's are so afraid to join the morals of the 'right' for fear of a stupid Sunday law, so they don't vote, or vote democratic. They are so afraid of being deceived by a wolf in sheeps clothing that they would rather stay silent on moral issues than risk getting in with the Sunday keepers.
Satan is not stupid, hu? |
Cw
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Username: Cw
Post Number: 33
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 11:41 am: | |
They vote Democrat???!!! Say it's not so. But that makes the "soft on abortion" mentality understandable. |
Seekr777
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Username: Seekr777
Post Number: 479
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 12:57 pm: | |
In the past I thought most SDAs voted Republication. I don't know about now however since I'm not really "plugged in" any more.
Richard |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 1209
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 1:37 pm: | |
Cw, yes a lot of SDAs vote Democrat, because of their fear of the "National Sunday Law" (where the SDAs will supposedly be hunted down and sentenced to death).
A lot of SDAs don't vote at all, because EGW discouraged it. She wrote that, if we vote for them, we are responsible for the sins the elected officials commit while in office.
Not only does the SDA church have a soft stand on abortion, their own hospitals actually perform elective (and even partial-birth according to the letter Violet linked to) abortons.
Jeremy
(Message edited by Jeremy on April 28, 2006) |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 3852
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 1:39 pm: | |
In recent years they've shifted to democratic. It's interesting that in San Bernardino County, one of So California's more conservative counties, the Loma Linda area stands out as a democratic voting block surrounded by republican districts in post-election demographics.
Colleen |
Seekr777
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Username: Seekr777
Post Number: 482
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 1:42 pm: | |
Colleen, interesting, I didn't realize that it had changed. Thanks! !
Richard
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Violet
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Username: Violet
Post Number: 369
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 2:35 pm: | |
Thought you would love this:
http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Sheila_Jackson_Lee.htm
This is the record of Sheila Jackson Lee democrat and Seventh-day Adventist
Voted YES on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save motherís life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted NO on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
Voted NO on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women. (Apr 2001)
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
Supported funding contraception and UN family planning. (Jul 1999)
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Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 2497
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 3:34 pm: | |
When I was an Adventist, I voted democratic because of the Sunday law issue. Since getting older and gradually letting go of adventism, my thinking has changed on many things. I thank God for that. I used to be pro choice and am not any more. I thank God for that also.
Thank you God for changing me. You are Awesome.
Diana |
