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Jorgfe
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Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 7:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just ran across a really great article, The Shaking of Adventism by Geoffry Paxton, that I included in my blog at http://blogs.ellenwhitenews.org/gjorgensen/2006/07/21/the-shaking-of-adventism/

Also at http://blogs.ellenwhitenews.org/gjorgensen/2006/07/21/the-gospel-1844-and-judgment/ there is an extensive list of links relating to 1844 and the Investigative Judgment study that is currently taking place for the Seventh-day Adventist 3rd quarter adult Sabbath School Lesson Study.

Gilbert Jorgensen
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Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 6:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gilbert,
That whole book by Geoffrey Paxton "Shaking of Adventism" is another must read for all those former SDAs who are interested in seeing how Adventism's gospel is practically identical to the Roman Catholic gospel:

http://www.presenttruthmag.com/7dayadventist/shaking/index.html

In this book Paxton examines the stupendous claims that SDA claims to be heirs of the Reformation.

I think this paragraph is very interesting and revealing:

2. Another feature which I have observed within Adventism is triumphalism.2 Let me be quick to say that if anyone would be tempted to triumphalism, it would be the person who sincerely believes that he is God's latter-day special. However, triumphalism is not intrinsic to the movement, and there are enough warnings in Scripture (e.g., Mark 10:42-45) to keep the Adventist (and for that matter, all of us) on guard. Also, there are enough warnings in Ellen G. White to convince the Adventist that arrogant self-infatuation and the tendency to be a law unto oneself are contrary to the Spirit of prophecy (Rev. 19:10).

A triumphalistic church and a triumphalistic leadership will not be quick to repent and to openly acknowledge mistakes. Unqualified admission that mistakes have been made are rare in Adventism.

Here is a very gross example of Triumphalism:

. Consider the following as an example of triumphalism. At a General Conference worship, Jan. 9, 1976, Robert H. Pierson said: "When you and I joined the General Conference family something special happened to us. When we begin work in the General Conference office we become part of what inspiration describes as God's highest authority on earth. ... All of us are something special in God's sight. Our relationship to our church, to the world field, to one another, and to the work entrusted to us is unique. We are part of 'the highest authority that God has on earth.'... These three buildings are not ordinary buildings.... These buildings constitute a consecrated place where God, through His appointed servants óyou, me ó directs His worldwide work. ... As those of us here on the General Conference staff continue our unique service for Him, let us remember that we are daily, hourly, momentarily a part of a group of leaders that constitute the highest authority of God upon earth..." (Robert H. Pierson, The Ministry, June 1976). Pope Paul, please take note! (A thoughtful observer could not but see that this Rome-like ecclesiology springs from a soteriology of the same character.)
3. Uriah Smith, "Our Righteousness," Review and Herald, 11 June 1889; idem, "Our Righteousness Again," ibid., 2 July 1889."

The spirit of the Papacy is alive and well at GC headquarters.

Stan






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Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 6:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"The spirit of the Papacy is alive and well at GC headquarters.'
I did not want to copy and paste the whole thing above. But that last sentence is very telling.
Thanks for putting it there.
Diana
Jorgfe
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 1:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow! That is an amazing statement. I posted a copy at http://blogs.ellenwhitenews.org/gjorgensen/2006/07/24/the-highest-authority-that-god-has-upon-earth/

I personally knew Elder Pierson when he retired to Fletcher, North Carolina. I am disappointed that he would make that claim. I do understand from Richard Hamill and others that he was responsible for the demise of the Geoscience Research Institute and its character transformation from a research organization to an apologetics arm of the General Conference.
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 1:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is the EGW quote that Pierson was referring to:


quote:

"I have been shown that no man's judgment should be surrendered to the judgment of any one man. But when the judgment of the General Conference, which is the highest authority that God has upon the earth, is exercised, private independence and private judgment must not be maintained, but be surrendered. Your error was in persistently maintaining your private judgment of your duty against the voice of the highest authority the Lord has upon the earth. After you had taken your own time, and after the work had been much hindered by your delay, you came to Battle Creek in answer to the repeated and urgent calls of the General Conference. You firmly maintained that you had done right in following your own convictions of duty. You considered it a virtue in you to persistently maintain your position of independence. You did not seem to have a true sense of the power that God has given to His church in the voice of the General Conference. You thought that in responding to the call made to you by the General Conference you were submitting to the judgment and mind of one man. You accordingly manifested an independence, a set, willful spirit, which was all wrong." (Testimonies for the Church, Volume Three, page 492, paragraph 2.)




So, if the General Conference "is the highest authority that God has upon the earth," and Ellen's authority is higher than the GC, then what does that make Ellen? God, I guess?

Jeremy
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 2:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also, notice Ellen's statement that, "You thought that in responding to the call made to you by the General Conference you were submitting to the judgment and mind of one man."

Then in the next paragraph, she says: "If you should let the power in the church, the voice and judgment of the General Conference, stand in the place you have given my husband, there could then be no fault found with your position."

It sounds like she is saying that this man ("Brother A") wrongly considered the General Conference to be the judgment of one man, James White.

But we know from D.M. Canright, that that was exactly the case--that James made sure that everyone did everything he wanted:


quote:

"Elder and Mrs. White ran and ruled everything with an iron hand. Not a nomination to office, not a resolution, not an item of business was ever acted upon in business meetings until all had been first submitted to Elder White for his approval. Till years later, we never saw an opposition vote on any question, for no one dared to do it. Hence, all official voting was only a farce. The will of Elder White settled everything. If any one dared to oppose anything, however humbly, Elder White or wife quickly squelched him. Long years of such training taught people to let their leaders think for them; hence, they are under as complete subjection as are the Catholics." (D.M. Canright, Seventh-day Adventism Renounced, "Chapter II - An Experience of Twenty-Eight Years in Adventism")




Jeremy

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