Post Number: 62
|Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 - 7:27 pm: || |
What are some books that really explain the New Covenant idea well? I'd like to have some books for my collection to refer to and my mom is an avid reader and doesn't understand my new (well, semi-new) beliefs. I'm thinking having a book to read will help her out.
Also, other book suggestions are welcome too since I know there are a lot of former-SDA books that are good. I'm planning on starting a collection.
Post Number: 540
|Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 - 8:34 pm: || |
I think a good book to begin with is
Dale Ratzlaf's "Sabbath in Christ".
In this book he makes clear the distinctions between
the old and new covenants.
This book plus his other books are available to
purchase from his web site. They are not very
Post Number: 193
|Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 - 8:40 pm: || |
I second that Mjcmcook. I really enjoyed Sabbath in Christ, and have read it several times over.
Post Number: 418
|Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2012 - 6:32 am: || |
I have Dale's book. I also have Greg Taylor's book Discovering the New Covenant. Both good.
I just read Covenants & Blessings by Andrew Murray. I've had it on my shelf for years & God just led me to find it & read it.
It was a confirmation of things for me.
Post Number: 541
|Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2012 - 8:46 am: || |
I think it is important for "Formers" and people still in the adventist church that are considering leaving, to read other books from respected Christian authors that present the distinctions between the OT & NT Covenants. Between reading Dale Ratzlaf's books and these other authors, such as, Andrew Murray, that you suggested, is KEY to understanding where we stand "in" CHRIST after we are "born again" of the SPIRIT!
Post Number: 214
|Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2012 - 9:35 am: || |
Are there any suggestions for those types of books on the Covenants, that are not by former Adventists? I am trying to decide which book to send to my mother on the Covenants, and she might be turned off immediately if they're written by someone she sees as having an Anti-SDA agenda.
Post Number: 543
|Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2012 - 9:43 am: || |
I think that ~J9~ mentioned a book by Andrew Murray~"Covenants and Blessings" in his post #418~
Post Number: 64
|Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2012 - 4:26 pm: || |
The Naked Gospel and God without Religion by Andrew Farley.
Video clips highlighting the content of both books can be found here: The Naked Gospel Video Clips and here: God without Religion Video Clips
(Message edited by nowhitehats on June 28, 2012)
Post Number: 63
|Posted on Friday, June 29, 2012 - 4:40 pm: || |
Thank you all for the suggestions. I'll definitely grab Sabbath in Christ since it seems to have touched so many people here and most likely the others y'all have suggested, though maybe not all at once since I don't have a money tree in the backyard.
Post Number: 13799
|Posted on Friday, June 29, 2012 - 5:00 pm: || |
Rain, Sabbath in Christ is important because it addresses all the SDA arguments we learned to bolster our defense of Sabbath. It walks through the covenants and addresses all the arguments as it goes.
Another more compact study that's really, really good is the study "The Covenants" by Chris Lee online here: http://www.lifeassuranceministries.org/studies/covenants/index.html
Post Number: 64
|Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 1:08 pm: || |
Thank you for the link, Colleen! I will order the book as soon as the bookstore on Life Assurance Ministries' website is opened again, since it seems amazon only offers used copies at a higher price than LAM does.
Post Number: 2112
|Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 4:58 pm: || |
along with everyone else's suggestions, here is an article a friend of mine (and former SDA pastor) suggested in understanding New Covenant Theology. He told me it was his "Ah-HA!" moment. He is senior pastor at a mainstream church now.
Post Number: 1012
|Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2012 - 6:04 pm: || |
To me ...the best book that addresses the covenants>>> The Bible. Humans get so messed up by consulting outside sources to affirm and confirm their theological positions. The Bible is the only pure and complete source of discovery and confirmation of truth .
...Just my opinion
...Animal..go to the source of truth !!
Post Number: 222
|Posted on Sunday, July 01, 2012 - 1:24 am: || |
Good point, Animal. My mother (SDA) asked me the other day who told me to believe all this stuff (I was telling her about the covenants) and I told her it all started when I read Galatians. Of course there were seeds planted in my mind earlier, but the veil really started to be lifted with Galatians.
Post Number: 1148
|Posted on Sunday, July 01, 2012 - 9:02 pm: || |
Classic Christianity by Bob George is another good book.
Post Number: 218
|Posted on Sunday, July 01, 2012 - 10:33 pm: || |
I know exactly what you mean about Galations, Katarain. The Bible does the best job in explaining the New Covenant!
Post Number: 69
|Posted on Monday, July 02, 2012 - 5:57 am: || |
I definitely agree about the Bible. Colossians 2 was the beginning of what did it for me, if I remember correctly. Then I read Galatians and Hebrews and was blown away. I just don't know if my mom can read the Bible without that SDA veil and maybe a book that spells it out, along with the Bible for wider context, will help. I also think having such books on hand will help me put into words what I believe much easier. I know what I believe, I know what I read, but I have trouble explaining it.
Post Number: 2725
|Posted on Monday, July 02, 2012 - 6:22 am: || |
The gospel of John plus this passage in Romans did it for me:
What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised— who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:31-39 ESV)
Three things brought me to an understanding of God’s truth. The first was the two and half years of prayers and simple friendship of a dear saint (and his wife who led my wife to the Lord) who simple would not give up on me. The second was the conviction of the Holy Spirit. The third was the written word of God that finally had meaning for me.
Post Number: 2726
|Posted on Monday, July 02, 2012 - 6:29 am: || |
One important point concerning the 1844 issue revealed in the Romans passage:
Notice that Jesus has been at the right hand of the Father at least since Paul wrote the epistle of Romans, long before 1844.
For those who are willing to understand...take heed.
Post Number: 224
|Posted on Monday, July 02, 2012 - 7:24 am: || |
My mom has read the Bible through several times, at least once without any EGW, and then she went through again and read the EGW Conflict of the Ages series in tandem. I think she might be on her 3rd or 4th time through. So asking her to read Galatians or the other epistles doesn't help very much, because she's "done" that.
Post Number: 1013
|Posted on Monday, July 02, 2012 - 1:36 pm: || |
then your mom doesnt want to see or accept the truth as it is presented in scripture....sorry
The gospel AND the new covenant is clearly stated in Ephesians 2:8,9. It really is that simple.
...Animal..the truth shall set you free
Post Number: 2702
|Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2012 - 10:44 am: || |
Your mom is interpreting scripture through the lens of Ellen White. I did that when I was an Adventist - in one case taking both EGW and Scripture metaphorically because the Bible said the believer has been saved, while EGW said no one can say they're saved.
Until I learned that EGW contradicted the Bible, I couldn't "see" that the SDA religion was false. (In my case learning that EGW said that Jesus waited until 1844 to go into the Most Holy Place while the Bible says that Jesus had gone already, was what did it - Hebrews 6:19-20; Hebrews 9:12,25; Hebrews 10:12 - what place can be holier than were God is?!)
Keep praying for her!