Post Number: 14089
|Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 12:12 pm: || |
Yesterday I found this article linked on Face Book. It's extremely interesting, and as I read it, I not only saw more clearly what the Mormons were thinking as Romney ran for president, but I also saw how "Mormon-think" is so very much like Adventism.
Did you know about the Mormon White Horse Prophecy? They believed Romney was the fulfillment of that prophecy. And the two women interviewed for this article described the insider's beliefs about being attractive examples, their lack of knowledge of the REAL core doctrines, etc etc.
It was so familiar. I'd love to hear your responses!
Post Number: 2866
|Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 12:51 pm: || |
Wow! I voted for Romney, but maybe it's just as well that he didn't get elected! If he had gotten elected, good and evil perhaps wouldn't have appeared so black and white, because then many people would have become Mormons. I'm thinking that now, good and evil will be clearly seen by those who want to see it.
Post Number: 220
|Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 1:24 pm: || |
We are not supposed to discuss politics on this sites so i won't but every time someone got on the news and would blubber on and on about how much MR helped The sick the needy, etc. I just wanted answer to one question, "Has he ever helped a non Mormon if it didn't somehow benefit him personally,such A's financially or politically? " i think i know the answer without researching it.
Post Number: 118
|Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 1:49 pm: || |
I did read the article and it does not surprise me one bit. Somehow I just knew that if Romney became president that the rise of Mormnism would rise. That is why I wound up voting for Obama. After my personal experiences of being in the Mormon church for 8 years I definitely would not return to that church. It is definitely cultic..
Post Number: 119
|Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 2:01 pm: || |
But I also have 30 years of being in the Seventh Day Adventists Church and 2 years with the Jehovah's Witnesses And I have had enough of a works-based religions(cults). I now attend a non-denominational church and Jesus Christ is the only way to go. I do have some issues when my pastor starts to talk about tithing. It's a touchy subject for me. And I have done my research on whether or not tithing is a requirement for christians. And what I have found out that it mostly a Jewish requirement based on agricultural means and not on monetary means. So for me tithing is no longer an issue.or a requirement.
Post Number: 715
|Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 5:24 pm: || |
IMO~ Mormons "Worldview" is just as twisted and heretical as adventists~
Post Number: 1993
|Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 8:53 pm: || |
Probably right on some of these assessments.... maybe there would be more people becoming Mormon if he had been elected. Maybe.
I wonder how many people became Catholic when JFK was elected ? I wonder how many people have, or will become members of radical churches who preach from the pulpit that "white people are going to hell" or how many have or will join the muslim faith with Obama remaining in office ?
Does the election of a President of ANY "faith" actually make much difference to people in choosing THEIR faith ? I doubt it.
Post Number: 1994
|Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 9:01 pm: || |
BTW.... I voted for Romney. Not because I approve of his religion, (cause I don't) but because his religion scares me a whole lot less than Obama's.Plus I have seen what Obama's administration has done the past four years and thought it would be good to give someone else a chance to try and turn things around. Most of the negative things I have seen about Romney (besides his choice of religion) have been over resentment because he is "rich". Well,,,, Obama is "rich" also. And what did HE actually DO to "earn" HIS money ?
Ok,I am now officially stepping off my soapbox as far as politics is concerned. The election is over and we are now in wait and see mode for the next four years (at least). Lord help us.
Please don't come back at me with accusations of racism, because race has nothing to do with my dislike of Obama (I don't like his white 1/2 either) When I first heard him speak I actually thought he might be a good choice. It was only after learning more about him that I changed my mind. Someone I would LOVE to see run for President or VP is Condoleza Rice or Colin Powell. Both I believe are honest and have the best interest of our country at heart. And I have no idea what religion either of them are.
(Message edited by skeeter on November 10, 2012)
Post Number: 14090
|Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 12:48 am: || |
This article wasn't meant to defend either Romney or Obama or to indict either of them. My intention was to bring perspective to the big picture. I frankly don't feel more protective about either one or the other of the men.
What I found interesting was the push to increase missionaries around the world, even to the point of lowering the ages for them. It seems much more likely to me that people would perhaps become Mormon with a Mormon president than Catholic or Muslim or any other thing because Mormons go to the people. They and Jehovah's Witnesses (and Adventists under certain circumstances) go door-to-door and intentionally do "friendship evangelism". Other religions don't do that.
So in the big picture, it is possible that hundreds or thousands of people might have become Mormon because they were not clear that Mormon isn't Christian.
Bottom line: evil is evil. If people are not in the Kingdom of God's beloved Son, they are in the domain of darkness.
Post Number: 1995
|Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 8:59 pm: || |
Just wanted to apologize for going into rant mode yesterday I was feeling very hurt and defensive when I came on this thread as I had just gotten read the riot act by someone on Facebook who seems to feel Obama is the answer to everyone's prayers and Romney and Ryan as Mormon and Catholic were right up there (or down there) alongside Satan himself. I took my feelings and let them out here. I was wrong and I apologize <3
Probably be a good idea to delete my posts before anyone else sees them and assumes I am always such a complete moron. ;/ Sorry :'(
Post Number: 223
|Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 9:09 pm: || |
i think it says in the rules on this forum that personal political decisions are not approiate. this is a former adventist website, not a former replubican or former democrat website. i hope you are having a better day. at least considering the low point our nation is in we can be positive and assume better days are ahead.
Post Number: 269
|Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 7:29 am: || |
It didn't seem out of line to me, but I'm not in charge. In my opinion expecting either political candidate to make any sort of moral improvement in the country is an unrealistic expectation. Republicans are never going to outlaw abortion, for instance. It's just a line they feed Christians to get them to vote their way.
Post Number: 257
|Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 9:06 am: || |
I totally understand your frustration! We are living in such stressful times, as far as the world situation, here and everywhere else. Surely we must be approaching the end times. I know we don't know when it will be, but as a 60 year old, who was always interested in current events, etc., (even as a young kid, not SDA growing up), I'm so amazed at the world we now live in. It seems that everything we see happening is in "warp speed".
I have some liberal friends, politically and religiously, (they call it "progressive") who are SDA by the way, and it is astounding to me how wildly different out world views are.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I can relate to your reactions and feelings regarding the events of late!
Post Number: 93
|Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:58 pm: || |
The rules to the forums, as I understand, can be read here: http://www.formeradventist.com/forum.html. I don't see where political discussion is barred or otherwise discouraged. Where is it posted that political discussions are discouraged? I enjoy this sort of discussion because it helps me to reset my former beliefs regarding the role of the government and those within it in End Time events.
If LDS missionary applications were up in anticipation for a Romney presidency, what now since Romney lost? I guess they just have lots of missionaries? I guess that's just a win/win for the LDS church then. Romney is elected - super win with a Mormon president and lots of missionaries; Romney loses - still have lots of missionaries.
Post Number: 2868
|Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 1:56 pm: || |
I'm hoping that Romney's loss will cause cognitive dissonance to Mormons and that perhaps some of them will study into their beliefs versus the Bible, and find out the truth and get saved.
What happened in Benghezi, Libya to our ambassador with Obama's permission (by "permission," I mean his orders for the military to stand down when they repeatedly pleaded to help the ambassador;) was one of the things that spurred me to vote for Romney. Before that, I wasn't sure if I was going to vote at all.....
Post Number: 42
|Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 2:03 pm: || |
Just want you to know that you caused no offense to me by your post! Please don't beat yourself up about it.
Post Number: 14091
|Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 2:36 pm: || |
Skeeter, you didn't offend me, either! I only wanted to make it clear that I wasn't either indicting nor endorsing any party or platform.
My interest in the article is from the perspective of having known from the inside of a cult how cultists "think". I hadn't even considered the evangelistic implications of Romney's bid...I had thought about how Mormons were thinking he was the fulfillment of their prophecy to gain power over the USA, but I simply hadn't considered the citizens of the USA in terms of being proselytized. But from the perspective of inside-a-cultist's-mind, that scenario made so much sense, and I was astonished that I had been completely blindsided by the possibility.
I keep remembering years ago, sitting in Elizabeth Inrig's Walk Through the Old Testament for the first time, and hearing her say, "The glory of God is the greatest value in the universe. It is greater than the saving of nations or the life of a child..."
He statement was astonishing to me. But I've come to see that understanding that we have spirits that exist eternally, either as dead and disconnected from God or as alive and in relationship with the Holy God of All, the events on earth look completely different. God will accomplish His purposes. He will, absolutely. And in the process His desire is to reveal the Lord Jesus and His cross to men and women and children.
Seeing this fact of God's grace and sovereignty as I contemplate that article on Mormonism, I realize that whatever else may be going on that I hate or love or can't even see, God is in the business of saving people and revealing truth. One way or another...God reveals reality. God makes it possible for people to see who He is and to respond to Him in belief or unbelief.
Post Number: 1996
|Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 3:03 pm: || |
Thank you all for your understanding <3
Post Number: 225
|Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 4:26 pm: || |
Well, since the discussion had gone political i just want everyone on here to know more verses quoting Jesus are about dealing with the poor and needy than any other subject He addressed. My favorite Christian publication other than Proclamation! is Sojourners and one of the few organizations i will contribute to is Pastors For Peace. Also, Pres. Obama was The one Of the main two presidental contenders who is Christian And from What I've observed lives his Christianity.
Post Number: 717
|Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 10:38 am: || |
There are many positions I could put forth regarding the recent election and the man who was once again put into the office of President of the United States of America~ However, I do not believe it would serve any good purpose to start a conversation about them on the Forum, at this time, when many many people are saddened and disheartened over the outcome of the "vote of the citizens"~
In closing, I will say this~ I think it behooves us to Remember to put, GOD above government~!
Post Number: 8050
|Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 11:39 am: || |
As far as the forum being a former Adventist forum and not a political forum.
Seems to me that if the politics affects you as a former, then its still a former Adventist forum, wouldn't you think?
I would think if we get too clinical about what the forum is, it won't be too long until it's not a forum at all.
Actually, I enjoyed skeeters rant, and I have no doubt she is a formers former.
Of course if we really get clinical,I am a never been...so.
Post Number: 14096
|Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 11:49 am: || |
Post Number: 718
|Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 11:58 am: || |
In my above post #717 I was speaking only for myself! Believe me, if I spoke what I really believe about this past election~ my "rant", compared to Skeeters, would be a "rant" on steroids! the choices given presented a "conundrum" for me!
The election is over, the "people" have spoken by their collective "vote"~ "It" is...what "It" is~
Those that chose to vote to re-elect the president, will, along with those of us who did not, have to live with the outcome, together!
May GOD have mercy on America!
Post Number: 87
|Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 1:09 pm: || |
Interesting how each cult has a definitive worldview. I remember as a child occasionally being aware that there were other religions (e.g., Mormons, JW's) that also taught they were the one true church, with the correct theology and were the remnant people. I would sometimes ponder the fact that we couldn't ALL be correct, but that there were millions in each group that truly believed they were "it" (and being an SDA, I was one of them). The thoughts would come and go as I wondered if everyone believed they were "right," how could I really know that I belonged to the "right one."
We had an unexpected dinner the other night with some old friends who happened into town. We met many years ago and now we have children. They had their kids with them and we had ours, so the children met for the first time. Although I'd catagorize this family as conservative SDA, they have recently begun sliding toward the more historic position. (We have not told them yet of our "former status.") This dinner was 2 days after the election and apparently they had not disclosed the results to their 12-year-old son. My son made an off-handed comment about the election and their son almost came unglued when he discovered who'd won. I watched his mother try to downplay it and get him to shut up, as he was across the table making "end of the world" hand gestures.
After dinner, when we were safely in the car, our son made some big statement about how Adventists are so controlled. He went on to tell us how this kid started telling him something about a line in time and all about being persecuted and how bad this all is. My son made some reference to something being different in 10 years and our friend's son commented, in true SDA fashion, "we probably won't be around by then."
It was very upsetting to our son and it made my heart break for this poor child (and his brother), living in complete terror for the future. I could see the spiritual abuse having been passed down so quickly and my heart ached for the lack of peace and love that one finds in Christ alone.
Whether a person is Mormon, SDA, JW, or some other cult, I suspect that every election... every political move... is eagerly watched and interpreted through the distorted and deceived worldview. I spent my entire childhood being terrified of politics, elections, government, etc. because they all represented "the end." (Interesting that the Mormon's view of the end is a lot more positive for them than it was for us...) I am eternally grateful to have been rescued from that life of terror and insecurity. Praise God!!
Post Number: 40
|Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 6:11 am: || |
My heart breaks for SDA children raised in the Adventist bubble. As I was working my way out of Adventism (gut instict and red flags telling me it wasn't right, but before doing the research that convicted me to get out), I never allowed my children to become too immersed in Adventist culture. My husband wanted them to go to Adventist schools and do Pathfinders. I'm so glad our family didn't go in that direction.
Back to Mormonism . . . There is an interesting film that was put out before the election called "A Mormon President." The film maker was interviewed on White Horse Inn. He claimed that he created it to present an unbiased history of the Mormon religion. It includes some about the life of Joseph Smith and how he created a military and ran for President himself. I think the film is slanted in the pro-Mormonism direction but not blatently. There are Mormons intereviewed, as well as non- and former-Mormons. I could only find it on-line for about $15. Interestingly, right after I placed my order, I received a confirmation e-mail from the film maker and he inquired about my interest and how I came to order the film. I called him and told him that I had studied my way out of the SDA cult and I was interested in cults in general. He didn't have much to say other than thanking me for ordering and got off the phone really quick.
Here is an FB conversation I had before the election with an SDA about Romney you may find interesting. I'll xxx out some info. to maintain anonymity.
The SDA wrote: Many years ago I drove out of xxxx on xxxx, heading northeast on a Sunday morning. Clear weather, no traffic, and no speed limit. I was flying, a little anxious maybe to put the city behind me. I soon crossed into the northwest corner of xxxx and then into Utah. I felt an unfamiliar urge to find a quiet place to stop and pray. I passed a rest area, but it didn't appeal. The same with an exit where there was a diner. Up ahead was the small city of xxxx. I liked the name. As I got closer I saw a large church towering over everything near it. I pulled off the highway and into the Mormon church parking lot. Lots of cars, the service had begun. A friendly greeter held the door for me in welcome. I told him what I wanted and he said he would be right back. He soon returned with a distinguished looking gentleman. I explained to him that I was not a Mormon, I was on my way to xxxx, and that I was seeking a quiet place to pray. He looked me over, I must have been something of a puzzle to him, but he led me down a hallway, opened one door and closed it. Opened another door and then beckoned me to enter. He told me to stay as long as I wanted, but the service would be over in about 45 minutes and then they would need the room. I thanked him and told him that would be plenty of time. I stayed about half an hour and then left. I have never forgotten how gracious was each person I encountered at that busy church in the middle of their service. It doesn't bother me at all that Mitt Romney is a Mormon.
I responded: Hi XXX, Here is some background about Mormonism and how it might affect Mitt Romney in case you want the information. Romney comes from a long family line of Mormons with a history of polygamy within his ancestry. He is believed to be a temple Mormon, which means he is a Mormon in good standing and has been “recommended” to go through the temple ceremony in the Mormon church during which he likely would have taken a blood oath swearing his allegiance to the Mormon church and whatever the church prophets tell him to do above all other allegiances including his family and his political office. The reason for this oath in Mormonism is related to their belief that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God and provided them with knowledge greater than the bible and their belief that certain present-day church leaders also have the ability to speak for God since they believe prophecy continues in the Mormon church. So it could happen that a church prophet could tell a Mormon President what to do under certain circumstances and he would be obliged to follow those dictates. The Mormon Church has aspired to have a Mormon in the Presidency ever since their founder Joseph Smith (whom they believe to be a prophet of God) ran for the Presidency himself and amassed his own military. He was, however, assassinated before the election. In Joseph Smith’s writings he claims that a Mormon will be President at the time of Jesus Christ’s return to earth and that President and Jesus will proceed to rule over the earth side-by-side. Mormons also believe that men can become God’s of their own planets and will populate the planet with their wives by having children which is the basis for polygamy. They believe that polygamy served a purpose in earth’s history for a certain time and place due to a low population of men but now follow the laws of the land. They do believe polygamy will come back into play in the afterlife. So if Romney is a Mormon in good standing, can we assume he believes he will become a god of his own planet in the hereafter? Can we assume he will follow any mandates made by the Mormon Church above his oaths within the Presidency? Thought you might find this information interesting.
He wrote: Thanks, XXXX! That is interesting. People were afraid that President Kennedy would take orders from the Pope, but of course that did not happen. The current situation may be a different circumstance, but I don't think Mr. Romney would violate his oath of office or betray his country. There may be a cult following of Joseph Smith within the hierarchy of the Mormon church, but not among the majority of members, at least according to those I know. I am not discounting Mr. Romney's possible ties to his religion, but I don't think they will be a problem when he is President. I remain convinced that he is our best choice at this point.
End of FB conversation here. I found it interesting that he believes the majority of Mormons don't follow Joseph Smith so that changes the face of Mormonism--kinda sounds like shades of SDA with regard to EGW.
Post Number: 30
|Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 8:57 am: || |
I believe the problem with with the spread of cults is that generally people don't know what the scriptures say. If people are not familiar with the scripture they are an easy target for anyone who has another message than that of Christ.
I believe the best weapon we have against cults is to teach people to study the scripture for themselves. God can and will show us the truth if we ask.
I think God sets up those who rule for His own purposes.
Post Number: 896
|Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 12:57 pm: || |
Let us face it, the outcome of this election was in God's hands. He put in whom he wanted. I think back to the OT and the leaders God put in to teach the Israelites and bring them back to him. I ask is this maybe what God is doing to bring our nation back to him?
Yes Mormonism is a cult but look at the way they draw people into them and that is through family. They have a lot of things going on in the churches for families and that is what families are looking for to help keep their children off the streets and out of trouble. To a lot of them true scripture is second in line if at all but yet take it as gospel because someone from the church told them so or the book of mormon just like a lot of sda's do with the writings of egw.