Post Number: 8131
|Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2013 - 8:11 am: || |
Recently I got an idea for a story from a woman who thought that Christian Fundamentalist are actually mentally ill people. Presto. The basis for a story in future fiction, one of the genre’s that I like to write in, having written ‘The Day Time Ran Out’, ‘The Family’ and ‘Eternities Embers’.
The first thing I had to think of is, what is a fundamentalist Christian? To my way of thinking, this story had to strip away the church brand. Even if your church just says ‘Independent Church’ over the door, that church has a brand, but what if all that is stripped away, and to be branded a fundamentalist means being whisked away to some government ‘mental institution’?
I don’t describe what a fundamentalist believe in the story, but it was important for me to know what one is.
Are Adventist fundamentalist? A fundamentalist might be described as one who believes the Bible is the word of God, and acts on it. Adventist claim they believe the Bible, and act on it. Adventist are some of the most religious people I know, so why wouldn’t we consider them also as Christian fundamentalist, and why doesn’t that description work?
It’s a good description, but it comes up short. In addition to that, we should add.
Believe that Christ died and rose the third day.
By faith alone.
Absolute and complete atonement for our sins at the cross.
There we have the DNA of a Christian fundamentalist.
Post Number: 1176
|Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2013 - 8:39 am: || |
AMEN and AMEN !!
Post Number: 1380
|Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2013 - 10:11 pm: || |
SDAs believe that the Bible has error in it--that the words aren't inspired...someone else that is more articulate theologically about this can explain it better. The idea I had of "inspiration" of the Bible as a SDA was very different than what I believe now.
When I started out of Adventism, I kept thinking of how religious they are...how could they get the gospel & everything else SO wrong? But the family that 1st told us of the real gospel pointed out that most of the "teachers of the law" in the NT were the ones that rejected Jesus & His message & despised Him & wanted Him dead. And they were very religious.
That helped me process when my world was turned upside down.
Post Number: 1180
|Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2013 - 10:28 pm: || |
adventists also believe that not only does the Bible have words that are not inspired,
they also believe that the pronunciation in some critical places is not correct!
They claim that the verse in Luke 23:43 that states, "And Jesus said to him,(the thief on the cross)
Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."
Claiming that the translators of the original writings "misplaced" the comma~!
Post Number: 8132
|Posted on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 7:08 am: || |
Oh yeah Mjm, whats with Adventist on that? I had an Adventist hit me with a strong argumentative rejection of that particular scripture. Almost as if he would like that particular passage to go away.
I just can't see what a misplaced coma would change.
Post Number: 544
|Posted on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 8:10 am: || |
River, the SDA's will put the comma between the words Today and I indicating that Jesus spoke those words that day. Like if I tell you River, today, I tell you" Verily I say to you today, we will go to the beach." Then you know I am stating that today. The SDA's move the comma. Christians understand that passage to mean the theif will be with Jesus in paradise that very day, after his execution. The Christians write it" Verily I say Today to you,Like today you will be with me in paradise." Like if I said to you," Today we will go to the beach
" Totally different uses of the same word. One way means it actually is happening today. The other way means it will happen in the future but you are saying it today
Post Number: 1181
|Posted on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 8:28 am: || |
I used an incorrect word to express my thoughts in my post # 1180~
In my second paragraph I meant to say, that the "punctuation" in some critical places is not correct, Not, pronunciation. Sorry about that!
As a follow up~ what it boils down to, is adventists must 'change' that particular 'comma' because they cannot have 'spirits' going either to heaven or hell,
before the 'Second coming of CHRIST'! It is all about their 'Investigative Judgement'
taught by "egw"~ Remember it is one of the 'Pillars' of their doctrines!
Post Number: 8133
|Posted on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 10:52 am: || |
Thanks for explaining that.
It is still a far stretch considering both parties would know very well that Jesus is speaking in the here and now, and would have no reason at all that he would be assuring that he was speaking in the present tense.
What makes perfect sense to me is that one would move the coma to try to uphold the investigative judgement.
Post Number: 1183
|Posted on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 12:01 pm: || |
Of course it makes "perfect sense" to Lucifer! and those who choose to believe him~
This is his 'modus operandi' ~ !
Change a little here, a little there! put everyone in a "coma!" by the misuse of the 'comma' ~ !
Post Number: 14559
|Posted on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 5:05 pm: || |
It's amazing how important that "comma argument" is to Adventists. I know that, even after I understood we have spirits that go to Jesus when we die, that "comma argument" still bothered me. After all, how did I know that translators didn't arbitrarily decide to put the comma after "Truly, truly, I say to you, TODAY you will be with Me..."?
If Greek has no punctuation (as their argument goes), then how could I be sure the translation wasn't just expressing what the translators already believed? Adventists argued that since Greek has no punctuation, that comma was arbitrary. Hence, those who knew the REAL truth, would put the comma where they put it: "Truly, truly I say to you TODAY, you will be with me..."
that argument was finally put completely to rest when Gary Inrig preached a sermon several years ago saying the "comma argument" is completely flawed. He said the phrase in Greek cannot be construed to mean anything other than, "Today you WILL be with Me in paradise."
That argument carries a LOT of weight with Adventists...and it's completely invented. It's a bogus argument.
Post Number: 952
|Posted on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 10:40 pm: || |
I give the Adventists credit for trying so incredibly hard to make the Bible fit their doctrines. It can't be easy for them. I think I heard the comma argument every single time anything that had to do with the state of the dead was brought up - every single time. It never honestly really made any sense to me.
That silly comma - and using Isaiah 28 as proof that God's intended method of studying the Bible here a little, there a little were so profoundly ignorant of the Bible that I chuckle now thinking about how long I stayed with them.
Post Number: 1185
|Posted on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 10:45 pm: || |
Don't forget another of the adventists favorite Scripture passages
when the "state of the dead" comes up~ Luke chapter 16, verses 19-31~
They will argue all day and all night trying to disprove the very Words of CHRIST~!