| Author | Message | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 1787 Registered: 7-2003  |
Sorry for the double post, but I meant to put this in the main discussion section and not the members only section. He gets so close ..... then totally blows it... http://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2014/may/sabbath-jesus-and-christians.html | ||
| Taluur Registered user Username: Taluur Post Number: 32 Registered: 8-2012 |
Hi Chris! Thank you so much for your article, "Scandalous Grace". It was an immeasurable blessing. It brought tears to my eyes and those of my wife's. | ||
| Carracio Registered user Username: Carracio Post Number: 28 Registered: 3-2014 |
How can he say that we still have to keep a day in a week for rest, while he also states that Jesus is our Sabbath..? | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 1789 Registered: 7-2003 |
Taluur, Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate it and am happy that you found the piece meaningful. I hope you'll have the opportunity to listen to Bryan Clark's sermon series on Galatians that I was paraphrasing from. It was truly a blessing to me. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 14820 Registered: 12-2003  |
Chris, I also want to thank you for your columns. They always inspire and move me. Here's a link to the "Scandalous Grace" article: http://www.lifeassuranceministries.org/proclamation/2014/1/thelifeafter.html And thanks for that link to Christianity Today. Sabbath observance is becoming more and more popular with the increasing attachment to spiritual disciplines. It's quite frustrating. I agree; he began really well...and he just went off the track at the end. He missed the point! Colleen | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 1791 Registered: 7-2003 |
Upon my second reading, I feel a little more charitable towards his point and conclusions. From experience I know that it is usually the editor who inserts headings into a piece. So, the section heading "We should still observe the principle of the Sabbath" may not have been written by the author and I'm not sure it quite accurately sums up what he's really saying. I still have some quibbles, but with a second reading I can say I've read worse. | ||
| Terryohare Registered user Username: Terryohare Post Number: 6 Registered: 2-2012 |
Thanks for showing us this article. I requested the full .pdf file, but haven't received it yet. With what was excerpted, I wrote a blog review. "Most evangelicals, working with a law-grace dichotomy, are not inclined to give the Sabbath a second look. However, once they start dabbling in Reformed theology (which is a good thing) they are apt to consider giving the Sabbath some playtime in their theology. Invariably, theological confusion ensues." See the full review of the article at http://sabbathcomplete.wordpress.com/ | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 70 Registered: 4-2014 |
If the Ten Commandments are so important for Christians, I wonder why Paul and/or Jesus restated 9 of the Commandments, 3 separate times in the New Testament, pointedly leaving out the Sabbath? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 14832 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yes. And I realize also that as an Adventist, that argument always seemed ridiculous. I know my perception of it was entirely the result of my skewed blindness; nevertheless, I gave that argument no play in my mind. After all...everyone KNEW those great Jews kept the Sabbath. They didn't have to merely state the "obvious"... Colleen | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2014 |
They somehow always get back to the same hyper-obsessive point: The Bible's primarily goal is to transmit the Sabbath to humankind. And Jesus's primary accomplishment was to demonstrate perfect Sabbath Keeping. He is merely a good example, not our substitute. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 3378 Registered: 7-2007 |
I guess we needed Ellen White to add in what the Bible left out! (Message edited by Asurprise on May 28, 2014) | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 3379 Registered: 7-2007 |
...and of course we need her to tell us that the Bible doesn't really mean what it says about a new covenant coming in, and what the new covenant entails, etc. | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 74 Registered: 4-2014 |
Asurprise And how would we have known that Colossian 2:13-18 does not mean what it says without Ellen White? | ||
| Capross Registered user Username: Capross Post Number: 84 Registered: 7-2012 |
There was an exit interview with the pastor and the head elder when I left the church. When I explained to the pastor that my bible studies had led me to the understanding that key church doctrines were not from scripture, he told me it was very dangerous to study the bible alone. He said I needed someone to guide me in my understanding. I guess that is why they need e.g. white. I am reminded of what Jesus said "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" john 8:32 | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 3380 Registered: 7-2007 |
Resjudicata; exactly! Actually that passage in Colossians always threw me, so I tended to skip over it when I was an Adventist... | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 76 Registered: 4-2014 |
Asurprise; Read Dudley Canright's "Seventh Day Adventism Renounced." Canright wrote that verse in Colossians was something the Adventist pioneers could never satisfactorily explain away. And he was one of their top "insiders" so he well knew the struggles the pioneers had made to explain that verse away. The Church well knew by 1888 - when the First Edition of Canright's blistering broadside was published - that their case for Sabbath Keeping was hopelessly destroyed. (Message edited by Resjudicata on May 29, 2014) | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 3381 Registered: 7-2007 |
Yes, I believe the "high up" leaders knew all along that the SDA church was baloney, but they didn't want to lose all that money and prestige.... | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 3382 Registered: 7-2007 |
...and of course if someone left the SDA church for the gospel, Ellen White would find "spots" on their garments. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 10142 Registered: 3-2004  |
What gets to me is that the "high up" leaders knew EGW was a bunch of baloney,so because of that how could they believe it when she said they would have spots on their garments! Just wondering. Diana |
