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| Iamfree Registered user Username: Iamfree Post Number: 57 Registered: 3-2014 |
I am not good at techy things so I don't know how to post links to other pages but please go to the spectrum and Adventist today magazine and read the articles about the re-election if Ted C. Wilson. The delegates voted against a secret ballot, it has corruption written all over it. Not to mention there was only one name on the ballot. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15178 Registered: 12-2003  |
It was a pretty "foregone" conclusion that Ted Wilson would win. The electronic voters kept crashing, and they had to resort to regular ballots. (Doesn't that sound familiar...) The current explanation is that the wifi in the convention center was first sending "too strong" a signal and jamming the devices, so they turned it down, and then the devices didn't all work. There was also talk that some of the delegates were voting outside the meeting room, so they were trying to get everyone into the same room to vote, etc etc. So...the bottom line was, the electronic devices didn't work, so they resorted to paper ballots. He was re-elected with over 90% of the votes...when you think about the "world church", that percentage isn't surprising. It does sorta set North American off, though...North America with its "progressive Adventists" can't do battle against the foreign constituency in a vote. There has been talk—don't know if it will happen—of North America separating from the rest of the "world church" so they can have independent policies. I don't know what that would actually look like in practice. It is a fact, however, that the North American Division has moved into a separate building within the past year, I believe. The NAD formerly was housed in the GC headquarters; no more. It's in an independent building now. Colleen | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 10333 Registered: 3-2004  |
Do you think it would make any difference in the sda 28 fundamental beliefs? I think not. | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 1788 Registered: 2-2011  |
Soooo, in essence, what Really happened.... Is that the whole process was "rigged"! ~LOL~ ~mj~ | ||
| Truman Registered user Username: Truman Post Number: 193 Registered: 1-2012 |
To quote Hillary, "What difference at this point does it make?" (Flying Lady was more diplomatic.  ) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15180 Registered: 12-2003 |
There have been some changes in the 28 Fundamental Belief's wordings. I don't know them all...one I do know: they changed the statement about the Bible from it is the FINAL authority to it is the "SUPREME" authority. Huh...it can't be "final" and support a later prophet... Colleen | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 1793 Registered: 2-2011 |
"wordings"... It always seems to be about 'twisting' the 'Word' to make it mean what they need it to, to accomplish their goal of deception!  ~mj~ | ||
| Mainexile Registered user Username: Mainexile Post Number: 192 Registered: 6-2008  |
Only one name on the ballot...man that sounds so familiar... Oh wait! I remember now. That's how the old Soviet Union, North Korea and Cuba hold their elections. One name on the ballot and you could choose yes or no with the government declaring, "See, we have free and open elections! All of our citizens vote and they unanimously re- elected our leader! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15184 Registered: 12-2003 |
Great point, Mainexile! Colleen | ||
| Foofighter Registered user Username: Foofighter Post Number: 374 Registered: 7-2005 |
I guess he only needed 1 vote? Watching him speak is really horrendous. There is something about his countenance that gives me the creeps. Very bizarre! He is a true Ellen White follower. He quotes her non stop, with a couple of Bible texts thrown in. I honestly believe he could preach for hours talking about EGW/Adventism. | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 1795 Registered: 2-2011 |
How about an Ellen G. White~~~"Worshiper"~? Heart-Breaking~ ~mj~ | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15187 Registered: 12-2003 |
Foofighter, I agree with you about his face. It's very hard to explain...but he's creepy. His mouth is hard, as if he is angry. I find it very significant and interesting, to use a bland but appropriate word, that the Adventist organization, beginning with its CEO Wilson, fight elaborate ideological battles over women's ordination, using "theological" and philosophical arguments to support both their official stance against it as well to support the internal arguments for it—yet they do not hold a high view of Scripture and consider it to have errors. Moreover, they all, beginning with the CEO, do obeisance to a female prophet. They actually DO consider her to be as important to them as the Bible, but they won't actually SAY so. Instead they give her "prophetic authority" (as they have in the new FB statements) and change the wording on Scripture from "the FINAL authority" to "the SUPREME authority", thus leaving room for EGW. Double-speak and confusion all the way. Colleen | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 533 Registered: 4-2014 |
He is quietly referred to as "Jihad Ted" among the employees at the General Conference, for his uncompromising, hard-line Ellen-worshiping ways. Yes, according to Jihad Ted, the Bible has errors. Don't you know that Ellen is the correct-all for those, and many other errors that crept into the Church? And here, I rise to Ted's defense: Without Ellen's absolute authority being noisily reaffirmed over and over again; Adventism is simply impossible. Adventism simply is not biblically based: it is more accurately randomly-generated proof-texts fed through Ellen's theological cuisine-art. The pureed end-product is known as "Adventist Doctrine," and scripture-sculpted into a cult doctrinal edifice. So Ted is quite correct. Without Ellen's scowling visage, Adventism is impossible. | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 1800 Registered: 2-2011 |
Resjudicata~ I really like your descriptive beginning with, "And here............" I will state again, what I have in the past~ If, and until, the Ellen G. White 'doctrinal balloon' is punctured and ALL the HOT AIR is released from a person's mind and heart... There is NO hope for that person to Discern Scriptural TRUTH ! ~mj~ | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 534 Registered: 4-2014 |
Mjcmcook, Did you like the part about "Ellen theological cuisine art," or did you like "scripture-sculpted into cult doctrinal edifice?" When I find out which one you like best, I will post some more, since am on the verge of thinking up new ones. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 15190 Registered: 12-2003 |
MJ...I totally agree with you. Last night Richard and I listened to a debate between Nabeel Qereshi and Shabir Ally which was held at Wayne State University a few months ago. Qereshi is a Christian apologist who converted from Islam about 10 or so years ago. He currently works with Ravi Zacharias Ministries. Ally is a Muslim scholar and imam who teaches at a university in Canada...Toronto, I think?? The subject of the debate was: Is God a Trinity? As we listened to the debate, I grew more and more uncomfortable with Ally's arguments. I felt as if I were listening to a "progressive" Adventist. His arguments appealed frequently to "Christian scholars"--men for the most part who are liberal, "Jesus seminar" types of people. He stated that a couple of his resources were "conservative evangelical scholars", but their statements he used supported his anti-trinitarian arguments. I realized that UNBELIEF pretty much always sounds the same, whether the unbelief is coming from an Adventist, a Muslim, or likely any other "scholarly" unbelieving platform. I also understood, listening to that debate, why Adventism can happily move into alliances with Muslims. Their worldviews, their arguments, their doubts about the true identity and work of the Lord Jesus are similar. Unless one understands and experiences the new birth, he just approaches the Bible as a source to be critiqued. Jesus' claims and historic fulfillments of the OT mean nothing; they are mere anomalies that can be explained. Ally even argued that Paul and Peter had a schism, and he used arguments to shed doubt on Paul's apostleship: Who really called Paul as an apostle, he asked. "Did Paul really see Jesus on the road to Damascus? Paul even said the devil can appear as an angel of light…" I thought I was hearing liberal Adventists arguing. Qureshi, on the other hand, was clear, confident, quoted Scripture, and articulately explained the biblical foundation for a triune God. He gave the gospel as well, and made a point to explain that our triune God is characterized by LOVE...a love that drives His sacrifice of the third person of the Trinity for the payment for human sin. It was a powerful debate, and for me, it underscored my conviction that UNBELIEF is essentially the same wherever one finds it, and the understanding of reality that accompanies being born again of the Spirit completely changes one's worldview. Colleen | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 1801 Registered: 2-2011 |
Resjudicata~ Actually, since I am an 'artist' at heart, both phrases painted a vivid 'picture' in my mind! ~mj~ | ||
| Foofighter Registered user Username: Foofighter Post Number: 375 Registered: 7-2005 |
Colleen, Yes, SDA's have so much in common with Muslims. I know you have seen, and it's been discussed here (I think), William Johnsson's article about the commonalities with Muslims. Also Dwight Nelson had a sermon about it too. It's been awhile since I heard it, but they sound chummier with Islam, than Christians. Anything is better than a "Sunday worshiper", as they love to call Christians. We are surely on the last rung of the ladder, about to fall into the bottomless pit! I've heard Nabeel speak a few times and was very impressed. Such an intelligent, sincere defender of the Gospel. I really enjoy when he or Ravi speak at Universities and answer questions from the students. Awesome job! Can you imagine Ted Wilson doing that? Yikes!!!! I've been listening to a lot of Tim Keller. I really appreciate him as well. But, back to Ted Wilson and his countenance. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. He comes across as hard, cold and almost reptillian (snake like?). He looks very wooden, emotionless. I see NOTHING that looks like joy, love, or peace. Even when he smiles it looks painfully forced. Yes, people on Spectrum are really up in arms over the WO issue. Some have talked about leaving the church over this. There are a million other reason to leave the SDA church, we all know what they are. But this was the final straw for some? Amazing. | ||
| Resjudicata Registered user Username: Resjudicata Post Number: 537 Registered: 4-2014 |
Go figure! They will leave over women's ordination, but not over any of the other toxic sludge that makes up Adventism! | ||
| Foofighter Registered user Username: Foofighter Post Number: 376 Registered: 7-2005 |
He Res, It's always good to see your posts. Am I imagining things, or did you say that you were, or thinking about writing a book? Why did you leave Spectrum? |
