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Username: Taluur

Post Number: 113
Registered: 8-2012
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 - 7:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have been talking to an SDA pastor the last couple of days who contacted me through my website. He was trying to plug one of his books defending EGW's "literary borrowing". But the discussion moved to how a person is made just before God.

I provided a lot of Scripture pointing to justification by faith in Jesus alone. He indicated I was not saved because I did not agree with his take on Ephesians 2:10, Romans 5:10, James 2:26. He believes the righteousness of Jesus is implanted into the believer in order to do good works. When you look on Roman Catholic apologists websites on this topic, they were saying virtually the exact same thing using the same verses.

I fail to understand how passages like Romans 3:27-28, Ephesians 2:8-10, and many others can be turned into implanted righteousness to do good works (especially works of the law like Sabbath day observance).
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Username: Colleentinker

Post Number: 15480
Registered: 12-2003

Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2017 - 7:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Taluur, you are right. Adventists embrace a soteriology that is very similar to Catholics. They play with words so the true meanings of "righteousness" and "righteousness of Christ" and "righteousness by faith" are obscured. Adventist theology does NOT teach the imputed righteousness of Christ but the IMPARTED righteousness of Christ.

Philippians 3:9 is very clear that Paul claims a righteousness not his own. 2 Corinthians 5:21, too, explains that He became sin for us so we might become the righteousness of God in Him. The "double imputation" is clear in Scripture, but Adventists do not teach it...nor do Catholics.

Adventists insist on the necessity of law-keeping (especially the Sabbath) to demonstrate that one is ready for salvation. Yet the Bible does not teach such a thing. They truly do not "see" the biblical reality; their minds and hearts are blinded, and they fail to rejoice in the glory of the finished work of Jesus. They actually become upset and threatened at the thought of giving up the importance of the Sabbath. It is part of their identity that sets them apart from the rest of the world.

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Username: Animal

Post Number: 1060
Registered: 7-2008

Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2017 - 12:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To the person who advocates imparted righteousness...Please explain to me WHY Christ went to the cross??? To me..salvation is a 100% God initiative. Salvation is His gift 100% or not a gift at all. Doesnt Ephesians state that salvation is "the gift of God"?
A "gift" is not earned. It is given. It really is that simple. I abhor those who try to make the plan of salvation so complicated and confusing.

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Username: Taluur

Post Number: 114
Registered: 8-2012
Posted on Friday, March 24, 2017 - 6:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Amen Colleen and Animal!

When I quoted Phil 3:9, 2 Cor 5:21, Rom 4:5 and many others like them, he ignored them and kept focusing on Ephesians 2:10 and James 2:26.

When I mentioned the thief on the cross who had only his faith in Jesus and no works, he tried to turn expressing faith into a work!

EGW said in GC 623 that to be saved in the time of trouble a person needed to be in a state like Jesus where the commandments are kept perfectly, especially since that person would have to stand before God without Jesus the Mediator. The pastor would not respond to any questions related to whether or not he could cooperate with the Holy Spirit perfectly in order to face such a situation.

It was so sad. His salvation is unsure, and he is teaching this fatal gospel in his books and preaching.

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