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Cloudwatcher
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Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2010 - 10:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jesus is the whole point of everything in the Bible.
It's all about Jesus.

This is an example of someone who read the Bible and totally missed the point. Be sure to watch all the way to the end.
http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/301

It's what happens when you the Holy Spirit is out of the equation. SDAs miss the point (mainly with Sabbath observance and food laws) and how the new crop of SDAs who are all about the Gospel of Love and social justice miss the point as well. If it ain't about Jesus then it's not biblical.

*stepping off my soap box**

Would love your 2 cents.
Flyinglady
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Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2010 - 12:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So you pick and choose what to believe even from the Bible. WOW!!!!! You are right. He missed the whole point completely. The veil is on him very thick and heavy. Only awesome God can remove it.
Diana L
Colleentinker
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Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2010 - 4:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cloudwatcher, you are so right. I found this disturbing in a really deep way. He spent an entire year reading and doing "the Bible" and completely missed it.

As Richard said, his premise was wrong. He assumed the Bible was a collection of rules and advice, and he went through the whole thing looking for the regulations. He was totally NOT open to a unifying theme, revelation, or reality. He went in convinced that things such as creation were crazy, and he came out believing they were crazy.

His assessment of the "irrational" being good if not harmful surprised me because he went no farther than deciding "rituals" are "Irrational". His comparison between separating clothes of various fabrics with the ritual of blowing out candles on a birthday cake being no different from each other, that both are simply rituals for which even their practitioners have no explanation, is lame.

Even from a secular standpoint, there is a difference. The "do not mix fabrics" ritual was given by God as a rule; the birthday candle ritual makes no such claim for its existence. Whether or not one believes in God, there's an actual difference in the ways those rituals developed. One derives from a "holy book", one derives from culture.

So even his analysis of the whole experiment reflects his bias going in.

You are completely right; it's about Jesus, and without Him, none of the good ideas mean anything. Lots of religions have good ideas and social mores. It's Jesus who puts meaning and depth into reality.

Colleen
Jrt
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Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2010 - 11:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cloudwatcher,
Don't step off your soap box :-) ... I say preach it sister, preach it.

Keri
Bb
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Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2010 - 5:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sad, it kind of helps you realize how the Jewish people living today really think! He read so much of the Bible and he realized that you simply can't live like the old testament jews. But he missed the great event that changed history! He missed the tearing of the veil and the birth, death, and resurrection of the Savior. He picked out some of the teachings of Jesus, but not the significance of how everything pointed to the coming of the Messiah, and of how all the regulations were done away with. Did he totally skip reading what Paul wrote?
Cloudwatcher
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Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2010 - 11:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I appreciate y'all looking at the link despite the myriad of typos in my post. Goodness!
What was I trying to say, exactly?

***corrected text***

It's what happens when the Holy Spirit is out of the equation. Historic SDAs miss the point (mainly with Sabbath observance and food laws) and new crop of SDAs who are all about the Gospel of Love and social justice miss the point as well.
Sabbatismos
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Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2010 - 7:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for sharing that, Cloudwatcher. It was really sad to see that he hardly mentioned Jesus. His promotion of Tony Campolo is yet another reason for me to distrust this supposedly evangelical Christian. The new "ditch" of social-justice-as-gospel is just as dangerous and non-gospel as is the rules-based "gospel" of historic Adventism. Sadly, liberal SDAs are not the only "Christians" buying into this. I am so thankful to have learned the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, because it's the only gospel that SAVES!!!!

BTW, you know that any SDAs who watch that will be all excited about how he promoted the Sabbath. They'll take it as an affirmation that they have the truth.

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