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Jeremy
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Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 6:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I find it funny that, according to earlier posts on this thread, that myself, and River, and Joyfulheart--who believe in Jesus--are going to end up in Hell, but those who do not believe in Jesus are going to end up in Heaven.

Let us all remember that faith in Jesus is the gift of God!

Jeremy
Jrt
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Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 7:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jeremy,
Thanks for your posts ... and thanks for the scripture verses!! You are able to articulate your thoughts well.

You are right, I was confused by Colleen's post as you indicated - so that is why I was asking the clarifying questions ...

I agree with what you've written, Jeremy ....

I know this crossing over from death to life ... it is such a mystery to me ... mystery meaning - wow .... amazing how it happens ... And yet, the gospel is so simple ...

Keri
Joyfulheart
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Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 9:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Jeremy for telling the gospel so clearly.

Jesus is the clear dividing line between saved and unsaved. You know, I can say a prayer at a multi-faith gathering and pray to God - and it's okay. I just can't mention the name of Jesus because then it is divisive.

The gospel is clear and simple. Jesus said we are to come to Him - all who are weary and heavy laden. He is the one who is our rest. It is in Jesus alone by His blood that are sins are forgiven. The Gospel is Jesus, crucified, risen and coming again. It is Jesus who paid for our sin on the cross. Our debt wasn't paid until Jesus died. Salvation is all about Jesus!
Jackob
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Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 6:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jeremy said:


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I know that we have come from a liberal background (SDA), but that doesn't give any of us the excuse to not believe what God's Word clearly teaches.




In the longest chapter of his excellent book, Christianity and Liberalism, Gresham Machen commented on this particular point of liberalism:


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In the second place, the Christian doctrine of salvation through the death of Christ is criticized on the ground that it is narrow. It binds salvation to the name of Jesus, and there are many men in the world who have never in any effective way heard of the name of Jesus. What is really needed, we are told, is a salvation which will save all men everywhere, whether they have heard of Jesus or not, and whatever may be the type of life to which they have been reared. Not a new creed, it is said, will meet; the universal need of the world, but some means of making effective in right living whatever creed men may chance to have.

This second objection, as well as the first, is sometimes evaded. It is sometimes said that although one way of salvation is by means of acceptance of the gospel there may be other ways. But this method of meeting the objection relinquishes one of the things that are most obviously characteristic of the Christian message - namely, its exclusiveness. What struck the early observers of Christianity most forcibly was not merely that salvation was offered by means of the Christian gospel, but that all other means were resolutely rejected. The early Christian missionaries demanded an absolutely exclusive devotion to Christ. Such exclusiveness ran directly counter to the prevailing syncretism of the Hellenistic age. In that day, many saviors were offered by many religions to the attention of men, but the various pagan religions could live together in perfect harmony; when a man became a devotee of one god, he did not have to give up the others. But Christianity would have nothing to do with these "courtly polygamies of the soul" it demanded an absolutely exclusive devotion; all other Saviors, it insisted, must be deserted for the one Lord. Salvation, in other words, was not merely through Christ, but it was only through Christ. In that little word "only" lay all the offence. Without that word there would have been no persecutions; the cultured men of the day would probably have been willing to give Jesus a place, and an honorable place, among the saviors of mankind. Without its exclusiveness, the Christian message would have seemed perfectly inoffensive to the men of that day. So modern liberalism, placing Jesus alongside other benefactors of mankind, is perfectly inoffensive in the modern world. All men speak well of it. It is entirely inoffensive. But it is also entirely futile. The offence of the Cross is done away, but so is the glory and the power. Gresham Machen, Christianity and Liberalism, ch. 6




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River
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Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 8:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think I understand Yen at a deeper level than what has been written here. There is a name for the principle put forth, I believe its called Universalistic inclusivism, however I may be wrong on both counts.

I think what Yen advocates is a nuanced universalism. I am not saying the principle is right, I am just trying to take in her back ground of both physical and mental abuse, and we need to be careful about becoming aggravated with her. I am not going to get carried away with heckling her in any form.

So we have a wounded soul on the one hand, and a need to stand for the simple gospel on the other.

Life is not always simple, nor the answers as to how we answer, always easy.

Nuanced universalism is is just a spin off of Universalistic inclusivism, and we could talk about that all day long.

But the prospect of spiritual abuse received while in Adventism, and then stack on physical or mental abuse from a parent is a horrifying combination.
We need to remember that also.

River
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Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 9:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you River.
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Skeeter
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Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 4:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Amen River !
We need to take care to show love and patience with those who are still "fragile" emotionally.
Hurting brothers and sisters need this forum as a sounding board.. to be able to express their views and recieve correction where there is error, but always, ALWAYS given with compassion, understanding and love.
We are all at different places in our transition out of what we believed for so long was true.

We have all experienced things in our past (whether raised SDA or not) tht effect us deeply into and through our adulthood.

I can honestly say (Thank you God) that I was never physically or mentally abused as a child.
My parents did believe in God, but I dont remember them ever attending church except for weddings and funerals. They allowed me to attend any church I wanted with friends, but never TOOK me to church. That makes me sad in a way..because maybe if I had been raised in a home where church was a part I would not have so easily accepted SDA as "truth" when I married into a SDA family (at 17). I just didnt have much of anything to compare it with, and it "sounded right" at the time :-/

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Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 6:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree. Writing on a forum is tricky. We can't hear the intonation in voices. We can't give the person a physical hug - and don't really know a person like we would if they were sitting right next to us.

River, that line you wrote about having a wounded soul on one hand and a need to stand for truth on the other is so true. I think this forum has been a healing place for many (at least it was for me) on a number of levels not always related to Seventh-day Adventism. I pray that my words will be building up and encouraging as we all grow toward truth together.

We're all learning...
River
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Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2010 - 10:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not that I am hinting that anybody said anything wrong or unloving here on this forum, I merely wanted to comment on how sometimes it becomes so difficult.

The wounds I see just burdens my heart for people, thats all, and the need to stick to the gospel also burdens my heart in just as great a way.
I hope you all understand my intentions here.
River
Skeeter
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 10:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We know your heart River :-)

Skeeter
Angelcat
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 2:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hope Yen comes back,but I understand the need for a break. I took a break for awhile over the issue of attending church. I didn't feel hurt by what people said, but i could see the potential for that to happen if I stayed.

I struggle with the issue of anyone who sincerely belives in the wrong God going to hell. However, I believe the Holy Spirit will lead us into truth. God knows our hearts, and I trust Him. it's hard though. My favourite uncle died a few years ago, and I'm not sure he is in Heaven. He believed in EGW, but didn't live up to her teachings. Don't know if he'd accepted Jesus or not. Like my dad, he did't talk about stuff like that.

Anyhow, what i try to remember is, on the surface, someone may appear to be sincere, live up to all the light they have, believe in God. And if that is true, God will lead them to the truth they need. But, they have to listen, and it's not always obvious to someone looking on that they haven't listened. OTOH, I was saved while I was an SDA. But I didn't know it, on a conscious level. And a forner adventist could easily assumed i hadn't accepted Jesus.

SO, what all this rambling is adding up to, is that people who appear to be sincere, good people, lived up to all they knew, at some point, had a choice to make. To listen to God, whether they understood it or not. If i hadn't been saved at 16, I would still have believed as sincerely, but it would have been in the wrong God. I am so glad I listened to God. I'm thankful to the youth leader who wouldn't let me put off accepting Jesus.

We can't always see what opportunities people have had.

And River, you are so right about us that have abusive backgrounds needing handling with kid gloves at times. And yet, the gospel is too important to push aside.

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