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River
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Username: River
Post Number: 6502
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 1:11 pm: |     |
You got that right Joyheart, this thing is so diabolical it is beyond belief, to me it sounds nuttier than a squirrel nest in a portapotty, but to them it sounds sane.
Sometimes I don't know whether argue with them or hit them upside the head with a two by four.
Its really diabolically simple at the core, keep them at arms length from the truth. He dangles that carrot of perfection right before their noses. The pied piper of destruction.
I dare say that if 99 percent of them knew what Jesus has done for us and for them, they would stampede out of there like pigs in a hog calling contest.
It is spiritual warfare pure and simple, and spiritual warfare is not done here, it is done in the heavens.It is done by prayer, and by declaring Gods living word on a situation, and by faith believing.
River |
Jonvil
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Username: Jonvil
Post Number: 432
Registered: 4-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 1:58 pm: | |
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana
The "How could I have Ben sooo stupid?" is a reminder of the lesson I learned.
I remain
A sinner
Saved by our sovereign God's grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone
John |
River
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Username: River
Post Number: 6504
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 3:25 pm: | |
Me, I ain't no sinner, I sin, but I don't practice sin, there's a difference ya know. A sinner does what he is built to do, he lives in it, a saint is one who God has declared righteous, therefore I am a saint. I comply with what God says I am, not what anybody else says I am.
God says his blood has made me whole, I am whole, a sinner ain't whole.
God paid a great price to declare me innocent before him, we need to start confessing what God says, not what man says.
River 
P.S. I know I'm probably aggravating you John. Forgive me if I am. I'll take the heat. |
Hec
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Username: Hec
Post Number: 1241
Registered: 3-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 4:00 pm: | |
Amen, River.
Hec |
Nowisee
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Username: Nowisee
Post Number: 468
Registered: 5-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 7:06 pm: | |
Dljc, coming in late to this, but wanted to respond to the first time I was outright exposed to EGW (I say 'outright' because from infancy, in Sabbath School classes there are very well organized teachings and all the Bible stories are through her eyes). When I was probably 3 yrs old, I received, not only Uncle Arthur's Bedtime stories, but a little blue book with a cover drawing of a little girl EGW being let into heaven through a golden gate by an angel. "Little Ellen" by Helen M. Johnson & Evelyn Roose Dinsmoore, 1951. The actual title is "Stories of Little Ellen and the Message". It tells of her visions, her life story, the 18 lb. Bible, etc, etc. The IJ is introduced this way:
"They found that at this time a special work was going on in heaven.
Each one who has lived on this earth has his life story in a book in heaven.
Every father and mother has his story there.
Every boy and girl has his story there.
Angels write down everything we do.
They write down everything we say.
Jesus looked over Adam's life story.
When He has looked over every life story He will come to earth again.
THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GOOD WILL GO TO HEAVEN WITH HIM.
Then God sent His people a message from heaven.
God chose Mrs. Ellen White as His prophet.
He gave her many messages for His people.
Theses messages helped the people know Jesus.
Many of theses messages are written in books."
River is right--this thing has a very strong spiritual pull. It lulls you, it draws you, it deadens you. Lord, we pray for our beloved families and friends trapped in this system!
And the spirit behind this has a favorite saying that doesn't have to be taught to sdas, but they each and every one make the same statement when confronted with Biblical truth: "But what about the Sabbath?"
And River, thank you for the visual of the porta-potty squirrel nest! The funniest, most apt description ever! Gave me the best laugh I've had in a month! |
Dljc
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Username: Dljc
Post Number: 66
Registered: 7-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 7:43 pm: | |
Thank you Nowisee. Thank you all for sharing your testimony as to how she (EGW) was introduced to you.
I don't know how much or how many of you have studied Spiritual Warfare, but that's what I see in your words. "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."(Ephesians 6:11) That verse is not saying there "may be" wiles or tricks of the devil, but that there "will be". We put on the whole armor so that we "can stand against" them.
wiles:
G3180
methodeia
meth-od-i'-ah
From a compound of G3326 and G3593 [compare “method”]; traveling over, that is, travesty, (trickery): - wile, lie in wait.
A good book on Spiritual Warfare, if anyone is interested is "The Invisible War" by Chip Ingram. |
Indy4now
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Username: Indy4now
Post Number: 876
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 5:04 pm: | |
Nowisee... so sad to read that excerpt. It's sad that it was written for children, but even more sad that adults read this to children. |
Patallen
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Username: Patallen
Post Number: 70
Registered: 7-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 6:35 pm: | |
I just remembered a song I learned in Sabbath School as a child. The words are:
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten; Ten Commandments I must keep.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten; Ten Commandments I must keep.
If I shall see my Saviour's face in peace, Ten Commandments I must keep.
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I never realized the signficance of what I was singing. Adventists were truly training up the children in the way they wanted them to go.
Pat
(Message edited by patallen on August 11, 2010) |
Sunnimoreno
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Username: Sunnimoreno
Post Number: 124
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 9:55 pm: | |
In Mountain View College we had a course subject - "Teachings of Jesus," which actually was the presentation of the 28 doctrines of the SDA church. any non-adventist who got baptized in that semester would get a verrry good grade. |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 8428
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 10:22 pm: | |
At La Sierra the in the "Teachings of Jesus" class we used the Desire of Ages, or DoA - dead on arrival.
Diana L |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 11558
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 11:16 pm: | |
You're right, Pat--and there was another counting song:
One, two, three, four, five, six for us,
One, two, three, four, five, six for us,
One two, three, four, five, six for us,
The seventh is for Jesus.
Yep--we allotted Him only one-seventh of our days...
Colleen |
Patallen
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Post Number: 72
Registered: 7-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2010 - 7:45 am: | |
Colleen,
I had forgotten that one, but we sang it too! Whew!
Pat |
Believer247
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Post Number: 148
Registered: 3-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2010 - 9:36 am: | |
I'd forgotten that one too Colleen!
There's another one about "Sabbath Bells Are Ringing" Ring a ling, ring a ling ling, Sabbath bells are ringing. The cradle roll kids would be shaking little bells and singing this. |
Patallen
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Post Number: 74
Registered: 7-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2010 - 10:31 am: | |
I think my daughter sang the 'ring a ling' thing.
Pat |
Hec
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Username: Hec
Post Number: 1257
Registered: 3-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2010 - 2:57 pm: | |
How about the birthday song?
Colleen had a birthday
Yes she had
Let us see how many
she has had
As we count the money
we are told
One, two, three, four,
The money says she's four years old?
I remember searching heaven and earth for dollar coins so my kids could count their birthday. Subtle way to collect money, wouldn't you say? Notice how the song says nothing about Jesus, but all about money. And that on the Sabbath!
Hec |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 3327
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2010 - 3:46 pm: | |
Colleen,
It's actually probably a good thing that we only allotted the SDA "Jesus" a seventh of our time! Could you imagine if that oppressive spirit hung around 24/7?!
In fact, EGW even stated that there was a "divine influence" that "attended" the Sabbath and that you were supposed to make sure it stayed with you all through the week! Yikes!
Jeremy |
Jeremy
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Post Number: 3328
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2010 - 3:53 pm: | |
Here's the EGW quote:
quote:"None should feel at liberty to spend sanctified time in an unprofitable manner. It is displeasing to God for Sabbathkeepers to sleep during much of the Sabbath. They dishonor their Creator in so doing, and, by their example, say that the six days are too precious for them to spend in resting. They must make money, although it be by robbing themselves of needed sleep, which they make up by sleeping away holy time. They then excuse themselves by saying: 'The Sabbath was given for a day of rest. I will not deprive myself of rest to attend meeting, for I need rest.' Such make a wrong use of the sanctified day. They should, upon that day especially, interest their families in its observance and assemble at the house of prayer with the few or with the many, as the case may be. They should devote their time and energies to spiritual exercises, that the divine influence resting upon the Sabbath may attend them through the week. Of all the days in the week, none are so favorable for devotional thoughts and feelings as the Sabbath." (Testimonies for the Church, Volume Two, page 704, paragraph 2.)
The whole quote is so messed up. Notice that she says you aren't allowed to rest on the seventh day, because you have six other days to rest!!!
Jeremy |
Colleentinker
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Post Number: 11562
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2010 - 6:10 pm: | |
Oh, yes--my in-laws lived by that. Sabbath was NOT for rest—it was for witnessing or visiting the shut-ins or hiking in "God's second book."
Early in our marriage Richard and I would visit them occasionally on Sabbath. I was teaching full-time then, and in the evening I was editing for our publications clients. I was SO tired, and by Sabbath I was nearly overwhelmed with fatigue. I would be unable to keep my eyes open after lunch.
I can remember so many Sabbath afternoons that I would fall asleep after lunch. I was basically allotted a half-hour, and then my in-laws hustled us all to the afternoon "event", whether it was a hike or a visit, or whatever. I would be awakened from a rather deep sleep, and it was nearly impossible for me to function for a while. Of course, coffee was unavailable and out of the question; I got to the point that I made sure I kept Excedrin in my purse so I could access some caffeine. I began to feel functional about a half-hour later.
I never felt a Sabbath-day's blessing from those active afternoons; all these years later, I still feel the dread and misery I used to experience as I was forced to get up, hike, and converse as if I were coherent and functional...
I understand all this was done in the name of utter sincerity and conviction, but it was MISERABLE. I hadn't learned yet that I could establish certain boundaries for myself, either...
Colleen |
Indy4now
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Post Number: 878
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2010 - 7:22 pm: | |
haha Jeremy! ... we had 6 other days to rest on? I'm so glad my parents didn't read that quote from Ellen. I guess they didn't make it to the Testimonies Vol. 2! We slept every sabbath afternoon... it was our "lay activity". loved that!
vivian |
Believer247
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Post Number: 150
Registered: 3-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 - 7:14 am: | |
LOL Yes that was our "lay activity" on saturday afternoons! |
Dennis
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Post Number: 2082
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| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 - 8:03 am: | |
I well remember the hectic days while still a SDA minister. Saturdays were overly busy times. It often involved travel to as many as three churches in one day. This included giving the sermon, children's storytime, sometimes playing the piano for congregational singing and teaching the SS lesson as well. There were 13 SDA churches in my district (not including the churches that were part of the Regional or black Conference). Although not technically a "pastor" as a publishing leader, I routinely preached more sermons than they did each week. District pastors often called me to fill their pulpits when they were out of town.
Dennis Fischer |
Dennis
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Post Number: 2083
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| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 - 8:36 am: | |
WHISPERING SOFTLY
My wife Sylvia would usually accompany me on Saturdays to my speaking appointments. She would have me practice my children's story while traveling from one church to another. I loved telling stories to children. Sometimes she would softly whisper to me, "I really don't like this church." Somehow I was always paranoid that someone would overhear her soft whispers (smile).
Dennis Fischer |
Yenc
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Username: Yenc
Post Number: 310
Registered: 6-2008
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 - 10:44 am: | |
For the uninitiated: The church's "outreach" was not all left up to the ministry, i.e. the ordained ministers, evangelists, and Bible instructors. Regular members, the laity (aka "laymen"), were also expected to give Bible studies, help distribute literature, etc. These duties were called "lay activities," and there was actually a Lay Activities Department in the general church organization. So the Sabbath afternoon naps were called "lay activities," as a play on words and an "inside joke." |
Dljc
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Username: Dljc
Post Number: 73
Registered: 7-2010
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 - 11:27 am: | |
They say a "power nap" is good for you if you can take one everyday. Only a 20 minute nap is all you need. I've been investigating this, and I've heard several references to "naps". I was watching a movie one time and the "Prince" in the movie was said to be taking a "Royal" nap. In my interpretation of that, since the Prince is "Royalty" and you don't disturb Royalty. I've decided that a Royal nap is better than a power nap. You're not to be disturbed for 20 minutes in a power nap, or until you wake-up for a Royal nap. You decide which one fits you better, my choice is the Royal nap. |
Yenc
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Username: Yenc
Post Number: 313
Registered: 6-2008
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 - 12:25 pm: | |
I'm the daughter of The KIng of Kings, so I guess I can go with the Royal nap idea! Oh! It's time for one right now, so don't get too noisy! |
Flyinglady
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Post Number: 8433
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 - 1:52 pm: | |
When I read that egw wrote that we should not sleep on Saturday afternoons, I never said anything to my husband. I did plan outdoor activities for us in good weather, like going to the park. In winter, expecially in Washington, DC, we went to the Museum of Natural History. I never told him or my son why. I just did it. Then we would come home and sleep the rest of the afternoon. No one ever complained. I thought I was being a good adventist.
Diana L |
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