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| Dljc Registered user Username: Dljc Post Number: 74 Registered: 7-2010 |
I was reading through Mary's post on the author of the horror stories and I read this from the article. Just to keep from derailing her thread, I thought I'd start a new thread to discuss this Sunday law thing.
That's not even Biblical! Where in the world did they even get an idea of a "law" being passed? | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 2504 Registered: 8-2004  |
You just hit on another of SDAism's major doctrines! Adventism teaches that "Sunday-keeping" is/will become the 'mark of the Beast' while Saturday Sabbath keeping is the seal of God. Their presumed messenger from the Lord, Ellen G. White has this to say,
When that decree goes out, here's what she says will happen:
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| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 2505 Registered: 8-2004 |
Here's a more scholarly treatment of the Sunday Law - Fact of Fiction?. I think this article/book is written by Dirk Anderson, another former Adventist, since it is on his site and the file address is anderson-nsl. Oh, and though it IS scholarly - with all the proper quotes and footnotes and such - it's not hard reading (except for the twists and turns your stomach might take as the trail of the doctrine is unraveled). | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 882 Registered: 2-2008  |
Recently, every time I get together with my brother he has to mention that the Jesuits have taken over our financial institutions. I know exactly why he says these things... He's trying to manipulate me into fear about the supposed "sunday law" to come. I remember even as a kid thinking that I didn't really have to get serious about my relationship with God until the Sunday Law was enacted. I think that many people who have left the adventist church (who are too afraid to search the Bible for answers) still fear the dreaded "Sunday Law" to come. It's sad that they feel that they would rather not have a relationship with Christ than to be caught worshipping Him on the supposedly wrong day. vivian | ||
| Sabbatismos Registered user Username: Sabbatismos Post Number: 21 Registered: 7-2010 |
Dljc, hey, does your "name" stand for "XXXXX (whatever your real name is) loves Jesus Christ"? Anyway, my husband recently put together a list of quotes from EGW's famous book The Great Controversy for our website. If you'd like to see more crazy quotes, you can read it here. http://sabbatismos.com/adventism-101-for-evangelicals/great-controversy-book-by-egw/ SDA authors of the past several decades have also written a number of books that fictionalize the anticipated "Sunday laws" and persecution of SDAs. My childhood favorite was one called "Project Sunlight." There was another called "The Appearing," and there are many more, as well. Many SDAs grow up reading this fictional accounts, which are published by the SDA publishing houses and sold in the Adventist Book Centers. I suppose since we weren't allowed to read horror stories, these filled that "need" and were "spiritual." ha ha  | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 883 Registered: 2-2008 |
Hey Mary... I tried that link and it says the webpage cannot be found. Do you have another link? vivian | ||
| Sabbatismos Registered user Username: Sabbatismos Post Number: 22 Registered: 7-2010 |
Mary, that second quote is amazing! It must've been toned down or edited out of the 1911 version that they sell now days. | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 435 Registered: 4-2007 |
Kind of like a reverse Islam. While Muslims want to kill all non-Muslims,(kill the infidels) Non-Adventists want to kill all Adventists.(fear the infidels) I don't know about the rest of you, but doesn't this sorta kinda come across as...er...CULTIC? | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 2507 Registered: 8-2004 |
http://www.a4t.org/Library/anderson-nsl.pdf I parsed it wrong when I made the link the first time. Here's another attempt to do it the 'pretty way' Sunday Law - Fact or Fiction? | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 2508 Registered: 8-2004 |
Vivian, It's almost word for word the same as in the 1911 edition. Here's the newer version juxtaposed to the old one:
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| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 2509 Registered: 8-2004 |
LOL! Good point Jonvil! | ||
| Dljc Registered user Username: Dljc Post Number: 75 Registered: 7-2010 |
Wow, thank you all for your quick comments.  Before I say anything about anything else let me comment to Sabbatismos "Dljc, hey, does your "name" stand for "XXXXX (whatever your real name is) loves Jesus Christ"?" My name is Cliff. If you google "dljc" you'll find a link to Disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ, and then my website, dljc.info. To me, "dljc" stands for "Dedicated to the Lord Jesus Christ" I took the two "t's" out to shorten it for a username. This basically means that I will follow no man, only the Son of Man, the Son of God. He is the only One who could save me from the life I had before. Men and women tried to help, but they couldn't lift the burden [of guilt] the world had placed on me. Only He could. I know Who my Savior is. And no where in Scripture does He tell me to do this to Adventists or anyone else. I'll check out the links so far and see what all you have found. Thank you Mary "Helovesme2" for bringing this up in the other thread. (in a manner of speaking). | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 1262 Registered: 3-2009 |
In another thread I mention that I don't know how they will be protected in the mountains since "every mountain will be move from its place." Rev. 6:14. Hec | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 2085 Registered: 4-2000  |
Here is a brief quote that I have treasured for a long time in regard to the weekly Sabbath:
Truly, this is what the Pharisees did in Jesus' day. They largely overlooked (de-emphasized or downplayed) the moral elements of the Law, and they preferred to make "holy icons" out of civil, ritual, and judicial laws. On the other hand, moral laws are not as prone to being overly emphasized, highly extolled, or legalized by fallen man. It's alot more fun to create fear about food lists, sabbathing, and tithing. After all, these physical ceremonial laws make it easy for us to judge each other. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1356 Registered: 7-2007 |
When I was an Adventist, I LOOKED FORWARD to the Sunday law coming and escaping into the mountains, since Ellen White said that God would supply our food and water! I didn't look forward to Ellen White's description of the "time of Jacob's trouble" though. Since Ellen White said that only those who rejected the "truth" would come after us; I wasn't afraid of non-Adventists. | ||
| Cortney Registered user Username: Cortney Post Number: 155 Registered: 8-2006 |
Wow, Ellen was surely a product of her time and environment. | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 2086 Registered: 4-2000 |
If Seventh-day Adventists really, truly believed in the writings of Ellen White that very shortly (within days or weeks at most) the "Sunday keepers" are going to kill them, they would literally quiver or shake whenever they saw their non-SDA neighbors down the street. They would hide in their homes even now and would fear to even reach for the morning paper on their doorstep. Yet when I mentioned this to a devout Adventist recently, he quickly replied, "That's ridiculous!" In other words, Adventists are NOT really scared of their Sunday observing neighbors who will supposedly kill them very shortly. Indeed, with their perfectionist views, Jesus will NEVER return because no Adventist has been identified as being perfect and ready for translation (see COL, page 69). If I remember correctly, the new GC president used this prominent EGW quote in his sermon in Atlanta. Admittedly and regrettably, I used that quote frequently in my sermons while a SDA minister as well. I vividly remember how quoting Ellen made me feel like an authentic, devout Adventist. The SDA subculture demands this kind of talk but in reality it does NOT literally frighten them. Instead, our SDA friends are financing new homes and new cars as though the "time of trouble" will be far beyond just a few days or weeks away. Their cognitive dissonance is most apparent in their end-time scenario (akin to William Miller who had a nice home to return to after the 1844 hoax). Dennis Fischer | ||
| Dljc Registered user Username: Dljc Post Number: 78 Registered: 7-2010 |
I found this on another forum that allows and appears to accept Adventism as Christian. I've been invited to join this forum, but have been reluctant because of things like this (look at the faith group section). I was reading through an FAQ about SDA and thought it was ironic that they would portray it this way considering the whole world is out to get them. 
http://www.christianforums.com/t4719423/ I also thought it interesting that they only appear to be upbeat and friendly.  This looks like the lure they use to get people to join. Later telling them the whole world is out to get them and when this Sunday Law goes into effect, look out!  | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 2087 Registered: 4-2000 |
Dljc, Those flowery, slick statements remind me of the propaganda used by political dictators today. If something appears too good to be true, it usually is. Oftentimes our Adventist friends wonder why people don't just ask SDA members or their official hierarchy about the beliefs of Adventism instead of consulting former insiders. Well, the truth of the matter is that this has been done repeatedly without getting close to receiving the right answers (i.e., the late Walter Martin in the 1950s, etc.). If they can deceive a trained cult watcher, they certainly can deceive many others as well. In awe of His saving grace, Dennis Fischer | ||
| Dljc Registered user Username: Dljc Post Number: 79 Registered: 7-2010 |
Thanks Dennis, And I agree with you on the slick statements thing. I've been challenging a friend of mine who has gotten involved with the SDA church. Through insights that I've gained from you all here, I've been able to come up with some tough questions for him. Some that can't just be dismissed as being taken out of context. And I'm flabbergasted by some of their beliefs. I mean no offense to anyone who has been involved with this organization. My friend gave me a copy of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs and ask me to let him know if they were "ritualistic" not whether they were true or not, just if they were ritualistic. As I looked over the TOC of the booklet, I saw a business plan that somebody had put together. That's what it looked like on the surface. This is the book, this is what we believe from this book, and this is what we expect from you, type of thinking when putting it together. In other words, we've formed an opinion and this book, is how we back it up. Wrong! A "revelation" doesn't happen that way. But I agree also that if they can deceive a trained cult watcher, then they can and will deceive many. YBIC, (Your brother in Christ) Cliff | ||
| Cloudwatcher Registered user Username: Cloudwatcher Post Number: 153 Registered: 5-2009 |
that description of SDAs was taken from the official SDA website in the YOUR ADVENTIST NEIGHBOR section. http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/neighbor/index.html I thought there was a video that went along with it that I thought would make an awesome parody, but I haven't been able to find it in recent months. | ||
| Cortney Registered user Username: Cortney Post Number: 158 Registered: 8-2006 |
My honest belief is that Rome is not the Beast. Adventist have a way of manipulating scripture to point to Catholicism as the Beast. They need to, because Ellen says it is, so it must be. Where are the Sunday Laws? Does anyone really care what day we go to church? What about Mecca, the City on Seven Mountains, home to the Muslim population? They do actually wear a mark on their foreheads, deny the Trinity, and murder all who oppose Allah and Muhammed. Not trying to start a political argument but, I find them more intimidating than the RCC. My mil would always say "Sunday laws are right around the corner". Adventist today say " Jesus is coming soon". How can He, Sunday laws have not gone into affect yet? | ||
| Cortney Registered user Username: Cortney Post Number: 159 Registered: 8-2006 |
I know a few Adventist who drink alcohol, I'm married to a Badventist, my husband started drinking at Shenendoah Academy where it was introduced to him. | ||
| Dljc Registered user Username: Dljc Post Number: 80 Registered: 7-2010 |
"Adventist today say " Jesus is coming soon". How can He, Sunday laws have not gone into affect yet?" Cortney, those were my thoughts exactly. What I see with the Adventist church is, they want to claim EGW as a prophet and that her prophecies are spot on, yet they don't have to come to pass for Jesus to return. That makes no sense at all. A prophecy must to come to pass otherwise there's no reason for it to be given. DUH! YBIC, Cliff | ||
| Patallen Registered user Username: Patallen Post Number: 80 Registered: 7-2010  |
Like Cortney, I do not wish to start a political argument but I, too, think there's something to be said about the significance of the mark in the Muslims forehead, etc. Ellen White (in my opinion) has made another false prediction and/or sign that will keep the 'saints' sleeping until it comes to pass. That's why they continue to buy their large homes, cars, etc. They are waiting for this sign to really get serious about His return. This of course, does not apply to all because I have some very close SDA friends who have already moved to the country and growing their own food, etc. for the time of trouble. They are die-hard followers of Ellen White. I don't believe Sunday laws will happen. The USA is turning more and more from God, not coming to Him. Kids can't even pray in school, etc. Signs of the times are being fulfilled even as we speak and they are happening in other parts of the world. In another thread (later) I sure would like to discuss the 2nd Coming and the 'time of trouble' because from what I am reading now, Ellen's got that all wrong too! Pat (Message edited by patallen on August 16, 2010) |
