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Flyinglady
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Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 5:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Phil, can you tell us how to make rootbeer? That I would like to know.
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Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 5:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Diana,

All you ever wanted to know is explained at this link:

http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/cheese/ROOTBEER_Jn0.htm

Phil
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Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 6:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks. It looks to complicated for me and sugar is a no-no for me, so I better not try.
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Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 6:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Now back to our regularly scheduled program. Sorry for the diversion.
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Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 6:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jody, the thing that convinced me that EG White was a false prophet was that she said Jesus did not go into the Most Holy Place in Heaven until 1844. (See "Early Writings" in the first paragraph of the chapter called, "The Open and the Shut Door.")

Hebrews 6:19,20; Hebrews 9:12,25; and Hebrews 10:12 all show that Jesus went into the Most Holy Place in Heaven upon His ascension.
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Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 6:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Asurprise,

When you view things outside of an SDA mindset, it is really wacky thinking to think Jesus (who is fully God) could not approach God, the Holy Father. Besides, when the veil was torn away in the earthly temple, that showed there was no partition separating us, through the blood of Christ, from having direct access to the Father. To deny Jesus eternal access to the Father is another of her heresies.

The veil in the earthly temple was there for our protection. In our sinful condition, we could not be in the presents of the Father and live. Jesus, not having a sin nature, didn't have that problem….ever except as noted below!

P.S. When Jesus bore our sins at the cross and carried them to the grave, it is my understanding that he was separated from the Father.

Phil

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Posted on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 12:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just a note to say the notes for Saturday, Sunday, and Monday for this week's SS Lessons are online here: http://www.biblestudiesforadventists.com/2009/quarter1/week3/sabbathschoolqua.html

Don't study your lesson without them!
Colleen
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Posted on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 5:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree, Phil. It really is crazy to think there would be a holier place than where God is. Where God is, would be the Most Holy Place in Heaven for sure! Hebrews 6:19,20 and Hebrews 10:12 are two references that indicate that Jesus went into the Most Holy Place and sat down at the right hand of the Father after He rose, though Ellen White comes right out and completely denies it in "Early Writings."

It makes me feel cheated - having been ignorant of the Bible for over 5 decades. I thought Ellen White "explained" the Bible, back when I was an Adventist, so if there was something I didn't understand, I just figured that I didn't understand it. Now I know why those Bible passages didn't make sense when I was an Adventist. There's definitely a demonic power that holds Adventists in deception, that can only be lifted by the power of God.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 7:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have been gone away for a few days and am leaving again today,but i just quickly checked the forum for responses i have gotten,thanx to all,maybe i should just send a link to this page for my friend.LOL
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Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 8:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Today, I came across a very interesting passage that relates to the current SDA Quarterly on prophecy:

Judges 2:1,2 ESV
Now the angel of the LORD went up from Gilgal to Bochim. And he said, "I brought you up from Egypt and brought you into the land that I swore to give to your fathers. I said, 'I will never break my covenant with you, and you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall break down their altars.' But you have not obeyed my voice. What is this you have done?

First I looked up the Hebrew word use for 'angel', that is used in this verse and find that it means; "messenger from God". Now, notice it says "the angel of the Lord", not "an angel", as it reads in the KJV. This is significant. "An angel" is one of a group which would lead one to believe it is a created being. This messenger, on the other hand, established a covenant with Israel…in other words, this is God speaking and could only be a pre-incarnate Jesus Christ. As such, this is not one of God's created angels.

The next thing to notice is that this messenger declares that God's covenant with Israel can not be broken and then goes on to describe what is known as a conditional prophecy. The significance for this relates to SDA theologians who attempt to justify Ellen White's failed prophecies by asserting God's prophecies don't always come true. The Bible, on the other hand, declares a conditional prophecy as; "sin and God's curse will follow, repent and God's blessing will be given to you". And, God's word will always be true.

One final thing I see here is that this messenger does not deliver God's message via a dream or vision. In this quarters Sabbath lessons, the writer declares that God can only speak to mankind via dreams or visions, which is nonsense and something the Bible nowhere declares.

Phil
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 3:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That is false. God spoke to Saul/Paul directly, in neither dream nor vision, and there were witnesses who also heard God's voice.

"And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man" Acts 9:7
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 4:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Freeatlast,

You are absolutely correct about how God spoke to Paul. God can communicate in any way he chooses and the Bible makes no mention what those ways might be.

Phil
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 5:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As a good friend of mine says, "If God can use the jawbone of an a** to help save His people, he can use mine too."

When God wants to communicate, the His message gets through - LOUD and CLEAR.
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 12:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Check it out: Week #4 Sabbath School Lesson commentary by Dale Ratzlaff is now online here: http://www.biblestudiesforadventists.com/2009/quarter1/index.html

Enjoy!
Colleen
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 10:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I haven't been posting weekly updates here--I've fallen down on the job, so to speak!

Just FYI--all the weeks for the first quarter are online. Check them out! This week's commentary is by Mark Martin, and I think you'll really like it!

We're also getting ready to launch the commentary for the second quarter: "The Christian Life". Steve Pitcher (who wrote the Clear Word article in the last Proclamation) has written the introduction, and I'm working on week one. Roy Tinker will write week two, Martin Carey week three, Phil Harris week four, Richard Peifer (see the March/April 2007 issue of Proclamation) week five, Steve Pitcher week six, Grace Carlson week seven, Terry Mirra week 8, and Richard Tinker, week 11.

We're still filling weeks nine, ten, 12, and 13.

Check out Mark Martin and the rest of the writers including Chris Lee, Martin Carey, Brian Cain, Phil Harris, and more here: http://www.biblestudiesforadventists.com/2009/quarter1/index.html

Colleen

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