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Jeremy
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Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 3:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just found the following heretical, blasphemous, and satanic quotes from EGW:


quote:

"Christ might have continued to abide in the heavenly courts, clothed in garments whiter than the whitest white, and sitting as a prince at God's right hand. He was not compelled to step down from the throne, to lay aside His royal robe and kingly crown, and come to this earth to receive hatred, abuse, rejection, scourging, and a crown of thorns. The humiliation that He endured, He endured voluntarily, to save a world from eternal ruin.

[...]

"When Christ died on the cross, Satan triumphed, but his triumph was short. The prophecy was made in Eden. 'I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel' [Gen. 3:15]. Christ was nailed to the cross, but thus He gained His victory. Through death He destroyed him that had the power of death. By becoming the Sin-bearer, He lifted from the human race the penalty of transgression. In His own body He paid the penalty of that on which the power of Satan over the human race is founded, even transgression." (Manuscript Releases, Volume 12, page 397, paragraph 2 and page 398, paragraph 2.)




NO, the prophecy does NOT say that satan would triumph, no matter how short! satan never triumphed, and certainly not over Christ!!! This is so blasphemous and is right up there with statements that have been made by Kenneth Hagin and other false teachers in the Word of Faith movement.

Such blasphemy! (Not to mention the first paragraph quoted above with her pre-incarnation corporeal "Christ"--separate from, and lower than, "God"--who then gave up his deity [throne] and omnipresence!)

Wow!

And I just did a search at the White Estate website, and EGW used the phrase "Satan triumphed" 25 times!!!!, including in The Desire of Ages in the following quote:


quote:

"When Jesus was laid in the grave, Satan triumphed. He dared to hope that the Saviour would not take up His life again. He claimed the Lord's body, and set his guard about the tomb, seeking to hold Christ a prisoner. He was bitterly angry when his angels fled at the approach of the heavenly messenger. When he saw Christ come forth in triumph, he knew that his kingdom would have an end, and that he must finally die." (The Desire of Ages, page 782, paragraph 4.)




The woman just loved to exalt satan.

Sickening.

Jeremy
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Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 4:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Click on the following Google search for "satan triumped" and take a look at the first few pages of results!: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22satan+triumphed%22&aq=f&oq=

Here's another satanic, blasphemous quote from EGW:


quote:

[...] "Spiritualists claim that they can do greater miracles than Christ did. Satan made the same boasts to Christ. Because the Son of God had linked himself to the weakness of humanity, to be tempted in all points like as man should be tempted, Satan triumphed over him [Christ!], and taunted him. He boasted of his superior strength, and dared him to open a controversy with him." (Review and Herald, 04-01-1875, "The Temptation of Christ," paragraph 8.)




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Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 4:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You're right, Jeremy. Just another example of Ellen glorifying Satan, (whether she meant to or not). It's obvious she wasn't "shown" these revelations from the Holy Spirit...

Leigh Anne

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Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 7:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh, my goodness, Jeremy--you are right. Satan never triumphed over Jesus in any way. And to say that Satan triumphed however briefly while Jesus was dead is to ignore and totally dismiss the clear victory declared by that veil ripping in the temple the moment Jesus died.

That was victory!

Sin was atoned at that moment. Satan was defeated and publicly humiliated at the cross (Colossians 2:14-15). The resurrection was what gave humanity the hope of eternity and the power of the new birth. But sin was completely atoned at the cross.

Just today Dale Ratzlaff told me he re-read his book Cultic Doctrine preparatory to doing another revision of it. He said he is absolutely convinced that Satan was at the heart of Adventism since its very beginning. (Amen.)

Colleen
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Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 8:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Exactly, Colleen! Colossians 2:15 says that when He died, Jesus "triumphed" (in our behalf) over satan and his demons and publicly humiliated them--satan certainly did not triumph!


quote:

"When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him." (Colossians 2:15 NASB.)




So once again, ellen said the opposite of what the Bible says and exalted satan instead of Jesus!

Talk about a false prophet!

Jeremy

P.S. By the way, EGW also uses the phrase "Satan exulted" 38 times in her writings!

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Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 8:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Was it her or someone else who presented Jesus as needing to ascend after his resurrection to see if his sacrifice was acceptable or not?
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Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 8:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That was EGW, in The Desire of Ages. Here's the quote:


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"Jesus refused to receive the homage of His people until He had the assurance that His sacrifice was accepted by the Father. He ascended to the heavenly courts, and from God Himself heard the assurance that His atonement for the sins of men had been ample, that through His blood all might gain eternal life. The Father ratified the covenant made with Christ, that He would receive repentant and obedient men, and would love them even as He loves His Son. Christ was to complete His work, and fulfill His pledge to 'make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.' Isa. 13:12. All power in heaven and on earth was given to the Prince of Life, and He returned to His followers in a world of sin, that He might impart to them of His power and glory." (The Desire of Ages, page 790, paragraph 3.)




Notice that in the above quote Jesus is nowhere near being "God Himself"!!

Jeremy

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Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 1:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, ok, ok . . . paradigm shift . . . realize, I'm a newbie . . .

So, after reading some other posts earlier . . . God is outside of time and space . . . "evil" is a subset of His creation - meaning satan (sorry, I just have to use a little "s" ) . . . So Christ, the fullness of God, stepped into time and space and fought the battle with satan for us - won, ofcourse, cause Jesus is fully God, and "Triumphed".

Hmmmm. . . . satan never had a chance . . . he/satan could not have triumphed over the "fullness" of God . . .

Yet, God "paid" the price for us - cause we were born spiritually dead and never could overcome satan . . . or "not necessarily overcome satan" but we could not "save" ourselves, because of the spiritually "deadness" that is passed on to us, because of Adam's sin . . .

And it is not necessarily "overcoming" satan as it is having been born spiritually dead/ being unrighteous. . . For us to ever have a chance, Jesus had to come and "pay" the price of sin - justice had to take place - because God is 100% Just and 100% merciful.

Is my thinking "on-board" . . . this is important for the whole "dying for our sins" . . . salvation . . .

Sorry, just clarifying . . .

Keri

P.S. Jeremy, thank for your post!
P.S.S. Please pick apart anything I've said above . . . I know my thinking is still "fuzzy" as I transition out . . . I WANT to know clearly . . .
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Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 4:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Purty sad ain't it Jere?

Keri, Jesus didn't come to overcome satan, he came to give us life and that more abundantly.

If your saved, your 100% saved, not 60% saved and 30% lost depending on whether the devil wins or not.
It was never even remotely possible that saten should EVER have any power over Jesus.

I go with the little 's' in this case, might drive the English Majors nuts though :-)
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Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 7:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

River,
Actually, I understood salvation to be 100% or not at all . . .

My posting was more to clarify my understanding of salvation and why Jesus had to die. . .

I feel so silly posting it like that . . . but since learning "all" that I had thought was "true" and was not "true" - I just about question everything now (all of my Biblical and spiritual understanding). . . hopefully, this 'hyper-questioning' is just a stage of transitioning, healing, and growing 'up' . . .

Keri
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Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 8:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

River,
You mention above, "Purty sad ain't it Jere?" . . .

That felt a little demeaning . . . You might not have meant it that way . . . more meaning it is purty sad people are so mixed up concerning Biblical truth. . . or purty sad God is not fully understood . . . but it felt demeaning . . . It might have been a little more helpful if you could have said, It is sad when . . . cause unfortunately, I filled in the blank :-).

This untwisting of EGW/Adventism and scripture can be such a frustrating process . . .

Keri
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Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 10:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well...No... I meant purty sad the stuff EGW wrote.

But now that you mention it...:-)

I think your just feeling a little raw at present is all. It'll get better as time goes on.

I probably value you a little bit more than you think.
:-)River
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Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 10:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Keri,

I think you misunderstood River. I think he was just saying to me that Ellen's quotes were sad, and then he started talking to you about something else. I don't think the first part of his post was in any way directed towards you!

(And now I see that that was the case!)

I think your post above is pretty much spot on, except that Jesus didn't exactly have to "fight a battle" with satan--since He is infinitely more powerful than satan, He simply through His death "render(ed) powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil," (Hebrews 2:14 NASB). In other words, in our behalf, He destroyed satan's power over us. 1 John 2:13-14 says that we "have overcome the evil one" because of Jesus Christ.

"For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." (Colossians 1:13-14 NASB.)

Jeremy
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By the way, thanks Mary for reminding me of that quote, as I had forgotten to put that one on my website. It still is incredible to me how EGW has her "Jesus" be so ignorant, even after the resurrection, not even knowing if his sacrifice had been accepted by "God."

Yikes!!!

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Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 1:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here's an earlier version of that same quote which has even more junk in it. They even put this quote in the SDA Bible Commentary:


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"16, 17 (ch. 17:24; Isa. 13:12; Matt. 28:18; Heb. 1:6). The Contract Ratified.--[John 20:16, 17 quoted.] Jesus refused to receive the homage of His people until He knew that His sacrifice had been accepted by the Father, and until He had received the assurance from God Himself that His atonement for the sins of His people had been full and ample, that through His blood they might gain eternal life. Jesus immediately ascended to heaven and presented Himself before the throne of God, showing the marks of shame and cruelty upon His brow, His hands and feet. But he refused to receive the coronet of glory, and the royal robe, and He also refused the adoration of the angels as He had refused the homage of Mary, until the Father signified that His offering was accepted.

"He also had a request to prefer concerning His chosen ones upon earth. He wished to have the relation clearly defined that His redeemed should hereafter sustain to heaven, and to His Father. His church must be justified and accepted before He could accept heavenly honor. He declared it to be His will that where He was, there His church should be; if He was to have glory, His people must share it with Him. They who suffer with Him on earth must finally reign with Him in His kingdom. In the most explicit manner Christ pleaded for His church, identifying His interest with theirs, and advocating, with love and constancy stronger than death, their rights and titles gained through Him.

"God's answer to this appeal goes forth in the proclamation: 'Let all the angels of God worship him.' Every angelic commander obeys the royal mandate, and Worthy, worthy is the Lamb that was slain; and that lives again a triumphant conqueror! echoes and re-echoes through all heaven. The innumerable company of angels prostrate themselves before the Redeemer. The request of Christ is granted; the church is justified through Him, its representative and head. Here the Father ratifies the contract with His Son, that He will be reconciled to repentant and obedient men, and take them into divine favor through the merits of Christ. Christ guarantees that He will make a man 'more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.' All power in heaven and on earth is now given to the Prince of life; yet He does not for a moment forget His poor disciples in a sinful world, but prepares to return to them, that He may impart to them His power and glory. Thus did the Redeemer of mankind, by the sacrifice of Himself, connect earth with heaven, and finite man with the infinite God (3SP 202, 203)." (S.D.A. Bible Commentary Vol. 5, page 1150, paragraphs 3-5.)




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Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 2:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Unbelievable, Jeremy! There's no way to extricate EGW from the obvious morass she's in; she's totally a false prophet. She's worse than "not a prophet"—she's a FALSE prophet.

Satan is the core here...
Colleen
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River,
My biggest apologies . . . I should have known better . . . you have been nothing less than a "knight" fighting (as you said in a previous post-"wrestling") this Adventist heresy and championing the cause of those caught in its clutches. Forgive me for jumping to such a conclusion.

I think you are right . . . I'm a little "raw" right now . . . tired from too many late nights, wrestling with this paradigm shift, and adrenalin rush from helping my "Sunday" church's evangelism . . . and probably quite narcissistic :-).

I need to get back to the basics of resting in Jesus . . . and trusting Him.

Thanks, River, your a good 'chum!

Keri
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Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 3:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Twarnt no need of apology ma lady.

Narciswhut? That sounds like a bad-un whut I got when I tried to prop my rifle barrel on a beer can to steady my aim while I shot over top of the truck cab.

River
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My mouth hangs open as I remember I used to believe all that "Stuff". All I can say is I am glad God took each of us out and that I need to pray more for my SDA brothers and sisters.
EGW is a FALSE PROPHET. There is no doubt about that.
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As I was not raised in sda I read very litle of what she wrote.
Thank-you Jeremy for the quotes and research you have done to point out the truth of her warped thinking and teachings.
I know egw was ex-communicated from the Methodist Church for trying to force the Miller time line but I also wonder how much of this garbage she was spewing along with it. I guess we will never know.
Like Diana L. says egw is not only a false prophet but also a great manipulator and so is her church.
My heart breaks for those who have been sucked in whether they are from other churches, non-churches and those who are/were born into it.
I praise God everyday for bringing us out of the deeeeep dark pit were in into His rays of sunshine of His love and truth wiping away the fear we had.
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Posted on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 12:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think a lot of this stuff is also presented in "Margie Asks Why" - without much attribution.

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