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Jrt
Registered user
Username: Jrt
Post Number: 303
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 4:17 am: |     |
Jeremy,
Thanks! This was very helpful.
Quick question - How do you link to a specific post? I may need that in the future - and I didn't see any info. down below?
Blessings on your work in compiling information on the trinity. I believe God will use it powerfully. You are in my prayers.
Keri |
Philharris
Registered user
Username: Philharris
Post Number: 1510
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 4:58 am: | |
Jrt,
First, go to the post in question. Then highlight and save the "URL" (the web address that begins with 'http://www'). Now, you can paste the address into your new post.
Phil |
Jrt
Registered user
Username: Jrt
Post Number: 304
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 5:42 am: | |
Phil,
Thanks - I guess I was wondering also how you link to a direct post - such as my post above yours is post number 303 for me. Is there a way to link directly to a particular post within a thread?
Thanks so much!
Keri |
Seekinglight
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Username: Seekinglight
Post Number: 80
Registered: 3-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 6:31 am: | |
Keri, that's interesting that the pastor preached a message saying "Just stop sinning" and it bothered you. It would have bothered me, also. It reminds me of the three point Gospel that is taught in many churches (not just SDA) that is discusssed by Henry Cloud & John Townsend in their book "How People Grow":
1. God is good
2. You are bad.
3. Stop sinning!
Sounds so simple but quite a devastating message. |
Philharris
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Username: Philharris
Post Number: 1513
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 6:39 am: | |
Wow,
The Adventist message to "stop sinning" and if you don't you are going to hell is what drove me out. And, nobody but nobody ever asked why I left.
Phil |
Seekinglight
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Username: Seekinglight
Post Number: 81
Registered: 3-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 6:44 am: | |
Yes, Phil, and I think it's important to note that it's not just the SDA church that is preaching these concepts. |
Helovesme2
Registered user
Username: Helovesme2
Post Number: 1918
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 6:48 am: | |
Yes. SDAism did not pop up out of nowhere. The threads of deceit and 'works religion' may be bundled differently in SDAism than in other 'isms' but SDAism sure doesn't have a monopoly on the market. May God have mercy on us all. |
Agapetos
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Username: Agapetos
Post Number: 1872
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 8:28 am: | |
quote:Also, I think I'm wrestling with the concept of "spirit" - being alive or dead. Not that I don't believe we have a spirit or that we are born with a "dead" spirit and made "alive" in Christ, etc. Just that I'm a visual type person and this word has never been in my vocabulary before - so I'm trying to structure it in my mind. And trying to visualize an "immaterial" type word.
Hey Keri,
Part of the difficulty has to do with our background of understanding "death". Our SDA understanding of "death" is based on what we visually see with our eyes -- that the dead are dead and know nothing, etc. We base our understanding of "death" on what happens to the physical body.
But Scripture speaks of spirits/souls continuing after the body dies. So when we speak of a spirit or soul "dying", we can't quite look at it in the 'annihilation' way that we look at what happens to the body when we die. Does that make sense?
At the most fundamental level, "death" is separation from God. What this means for our physical flesh is that it wastes away & deteriorates. But what does this mean for our souls and our spirits?
When souls experienced the first death prior to Christ's resurrection, they were kept in Hades (Sheol) until Christ descended to Hades and liberated the captives (and so now, when we die, we go straight to be with Him in heaven). When wicked souls experience(d) the first death, they also are/were in Hades (Sheol). Here their souls experience separation from God in greater clarity than when they were alive -- and it is "torment" according to Christ in the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man.
Somehow while we are "alive" (that is, walking on the earth instead of laying under it), we are in a sort of intermediate state. We may be spiritually dead (separated from God), but we are not yet experiencing the totality of the torment of separation from God. After we die, things become immediately clearer, and there is only union or separation. But while alive, we may be "alive" (in body) and "dead" (in spirit) at the same time.
A sort of inverted, mirrored truth is found when Paul said that he was "dead to the world" and "dead to sins". By being crucified with Christ, Paul said he died and no longer lived, but Christ lives in him. And he also said to "put to death" the deeds of the flesh. He became dead towards sin, and was counted "dead" in the flesh, but to God was spiritually alive and counted alive in His Son.
Sorry, I'm not describing this well. The main point is that our SDA understanding of "death" needs adjustment, because it was based on the annihilation model which does not apply to spirits. When a spirit experiences "death", it is different than when a physical, fleshy body experiences death.
Bless you in Jesus' love!
Ramone |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 2697
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 11:24 am: | |
Keri,
The only way I know of to link directly to a specific post is to use the "Search" function and search for it.
For example I just searched for several of the words in your last post, and found it. And then some of the words in the post (on the search results page) become links, and you can get the URL (web address) for the post. For example, here is the link to your last post:
http://www.formeradventist.com/discus/messages/11/8582.html#POST113956
Actually, though, I just realized that you don't have to go to all that trouble. The number after "POST" in the above URL is the "post ID" which you can also find just by putting your cursor over the little edit or delete icons in the top right corner of each post. So then you can just add "#POST[insert post ID here]" to the end of the URL for the thread, and it will link you directly to the specific post!
Let me try it with Ramone's post above me. His post's ID is 113974, so I'll try the following link:
http://www.formeradventist.com/discus/messages/11/8582.html?1239809308#POST113974
(The above link seems to work, but it looks like you can also delete that stuff between the ".html" and "#POST" which is the format that the search function uses.)
http://www.formeradventist.com/discus/messages/11/8582.html#POST113974
(Yep, that one works, too.)
Jeremy
(Message edited by Jeremy on April 15, 2009) |
Hec
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Username: Hec
Post Number: 65
Registered: 3-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 11:59 am: | |
Isn't the "stop sinning', or "the spirit, or Jesus, or God will help you to stop sinning" a derivative of EGW teaching that Jesus death and resurrection did not save us but just bought us a "second probation"? Now if one takes the opportunity of this second probation and stop sinning, with the help of God of course, then one will be saved. EGW may say something different in some places, but she does say many times this stuff about the "second probation."
Hec |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 9700
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 8:33 pm: | |
Yes, Hec, I believe so. The whole idea of "second probation" is nonsense. In fact, the idea of a first probation is nonsense! We aren't on probation ever! We are born condemned; we are made eternally secure when we accept Jesus.
Colleen |
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