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| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 1627 Registered: 5-2007  |
A topic that has been discussed many times here on the forum is; Ellen's spirit guide, the angel who brought her "messages from God". Here is an interesting passage that relates to this theme. Jeroboam, the first king of Israel, the Northern Kingdom, had introduced idolatry as a way to divert the people from worshiping in Jerusalem. The true prophet of God goes to him to confront him with his sin. See I Kings Chapter Thirteen for the full story. When the king asked him to stay, the prophet responds; "For so was it charged me by the word of the LORD, saying, Eat no bread, nor drink water, nor turn again by the same way that thou camest." (verse 9) On his way home, the prophet of God is intercepted by a message from a false prophet and returns. Notice what is says in verse eighteen: "He said unto him, I am a prophet also as thou art; and an angel spake unto me by the word of the LORD, saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, that he may eat bread and drink water. But he lied unto him." The liar who had a false message that did not come from God claims to have received his message from an angel”. Now, consider Paul's words: I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Gal. 1:6-9} Now, for two questions: 1. Why did the prophet who had clear instruction from God seem to believe someone with a false message from "an angel" and go back? 2. Why does anyone believe Ellen when Paul's words are so clear? To get an idea of what is destine for the Seventh-day Adventist church, read all of I Kings Chapter Thirteen. Fearless Phil | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 945 Registered: 11-2007  |
Very sobering stuff there. I can think of many other false prophets who have also claimed to have an angel give them their messages - some very recently. This story makes me think of this verse: 2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 2Th 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 2Th 2:11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 2Th 2:12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2Th 2:13 But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. 2Th 2:14 To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2Th 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. I don't really understand what happened in Kings - other than the prophet failed the test of obedience. Does it mean he was condemned or just punished? Either way - not a good idea. Paul says in the case of the gospel--- accursed. Very sobering words. I just read Galatians again and repented.. again!! It terrifies me when I realize the road we were on. Sondra | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 6990 Registered: 3-2004  |
Sondra, we are not on this road alone. Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit to live in us. Then we have each other to help and support each other. Diana L | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 9911 Registered: 12-2003  |
Phil, thank you for an incisive and clear post. I had not thought of that connection before. You are right: why would anyone believe a prophet who claims instruction from an angel? My goodness, the prophets of God never claimed angelic instruction. The "angel of the Lord" did appear to some, but in context, the angel of the Lord is generally agreed to be pre-incarnate Jesus. (For example, the angel of the Lord accepted worship; angels never do.) Excellent insight. I might add, however, that not all false prophets claim merely angelic inspiration. Some, like Michael Trevasser of the Strong City cult (a former Adventist minister), claimed the "Father" instructed him. Bottom line: prophecies have to come true AND the prophets' messages must agree with the Bible. Sondra, your point about the road we were on is so true. Colleen | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4889 Registered: 9-2006  |
Its my bottom line too Colleen. I recently read an article about why the person rejects the Bible as the only final word,you could tell the person has fallen into the new age stuff. Far as I'm concerned if it don't match up with the Bible your just setting yourself up. Now the Holy Spirit has spoken to me many times, but he well knows that anything he says to me is going to have to match up with the word and the teaching in that word in context. I'm pretty skeptical about it when a person says they talked to an Angel, my question is. is what would an angel be doing with me when I have the Holy Spirit living inside me. So, if an angel presents himself to me he's going to get a through check-up and he better know his Bible. Even then he's going to have a hard road ahead in convincing me of much. River | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 1012 Registered: 7-2004  |
Wouldn't angels, just like prophets, have to be tested to see if they are of God - "test the spirits"? Gabriel explained to Daniel the vision he had seen (Daniel 8 and 9). Also it was Gabriel who came and spoke the message to Mary that she would be the mother of Jesus. River, you make a good point - why would we need an angel when we have the Holy Spirit inside us? Yet there is one example post-cross of an angel bringing a message - to John in Revelation, and the angel refused worship so it was really an angel. (Message edited by Raven on May 30, 2009) | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 4897 Registered: 9-2006 |
The angel of God to John was to write down his final message to the church and so we have revelations. Paul spoke of entertaining Angels unaware of it, but that is really foggy to claim visits from angels on. An Angel sprang a couple of them out of jail, but then there again was special circumstances, if I get in jail I may call for one, but the Lord probably wouldn't waste the Angel power to spring anybody I know including me. Ellen White was using witch craft which is strictly forbidden. She might as well have been reading chicken guts. Adventist got their own in house witch is what they got. If we get to needing angels running around down here speaking to us, we have failed to hear the Holy Spirit speak to our Spirits through his word. So, It ain't no compliment to be hanging on to no angel. I don't want to see no angel, if I did he would probably rip my head off for being so weak. I sure hope I never get to the point where God needs to send an angel. I mean I don't mind as long as I stay unaware of them. Man, Gods Holy Angels would scare me out of my pants, I'd have to say "Just a minute Lord while I go change my shorts." Anybody that says an angel come to them I get skeptical in a hurry. Didn't Rodney Brown claim a visit from an Angel? I ain't from Missouri, but I hail from awful close to the state line. River | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 806 Registered: 7-2007 |
Anybody who doesn't know their Bible is an "Adventist-waiting-to-happen" or a "Mormon-waiting-to-happen" etc. Look what happened when a man called Mohamed claimed to hear from the angel Gabriel! |
