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| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 1042 Registered: 11-2007  |
He knew Saturday was the Sabbath but believed he could reach more people on Sunday, thereby refusing to accept the seal of God and confirming his own condemnation? In my recent excursion up north, sat in on a Sabbath School class where people were trying to come to terms with the fact that God so obviously used this man to bring so many to Christ, yet did not have the "truth". One person said that Billy brought them to Christ, and from there God could lead them into more truth. I brought this discussion up with one of my family members, showing this demonstrated very clearly that they don't believe Jesus is enough - and that something else must be added on. This was the point at which is was told me that Billy Graham knew the truth but had turned away from it. I have heard this before, and I replied I seriously doubted the validity of this claim. I said, even if he did say this - it did not prove anything because there are as many Baptists that don't understand the covenants as there are Adventists. =) Just wondered if anyone here had any idea where that could be verified or disproved. I searched the forum here for a previous post, but couldn't find one. | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 86 Registered: 12-2007 |
I don't know if it is true or not either, but I do remember my SDA MIL telling us that same thing about Billy Graham many, many years ago. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7200 Registered: 3-2004  |
I have heard that since I was in SDA grade school. That has been around for a long time. I think it is just wishful thinking for the SDAs. The closest I have come to SDAs having anything to do with Billy Graham is when Wintly Phipps sang for his crusade at one time. Diana L | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 1045 Registered: 11-2007 |
A relatively new sda in the class brought him up because he was reading a book by him and was deeply moved by it.. which created an interesting discussion. I do not believe this claim is true. Like the one where Desire of Ages is the book the Library of Congress recommends on the life of Christ.. same kinda propaganda. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7201 Registered: 3-2004 |
Yeah, propraganda all right. Anything to make them sound good and legitimize them. Diana L | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1524 Registered: 6-2006  |
I found this on Billy Graham's web site ~ http://www.billygraham.org/LFA_Article.asp?ArticleID=77 It's obvious that Reverend Graham understands the covenants...  Leigh Anne | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7203 Registered: 3-2004 |
Thanks Lanny, He does understand the covenants. Diana L | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 5187 Registered: 9-2006  |
Funny I never heard this till I heard of it coming from Adventist circles. It sounds to me like they are trying to glom onto a big name preacher, then say he left the 'truth' so they could then make claim on a big name evangelical. Dr. Graham is as big as they come. I don't believe for a minute that this is even a half truth. Gramham preached nothing but salvation given freely all the years he preached. He preached the gospel in it's simplest form. People understood it when he preached it. There are few men of God like him and none like him when it came to consistently preaching the Gospel to where it could be understood. River | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1682 Registered: 7-2003  |
There are few preachers that have had as spotless a public and private record as Billy Graham. His kids are pretty well adjusted, he doesn't have any closet infidelities we have heard about through any media form, he has lived a long life, even without the health message. By all accounts, his marriage was one to be admired and he has shown great respect for his family through the years, while admitting he was gone alot. There is not a lot to throw stones at, by even the most critical of minds. He's not judgmental, he doesn't throw stones at pet-sin groups, HOW can you throw stones at such a minister? I know he's not perfect, and I'm sure his family could detail many faults, but really.....for a public image, however, in the integrity in which he has managed his ministry... they should all take notice. | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 32 Registered: 5-2009 |
Will relate a true BG/SDA incident I heard years ago in a Sabbath School class. A Billy Graham crusade in the area was being discussed--how hundreds & hundreds of cars were parked around the stadium. One of the women sadly shook her head, saying, "Just think, they're all going to be lost!" | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 461 Registered: 7-2004 |
My mother told me that a man named Knecklee (sp? is way off, that is phonics) worked for Billy Graham, and he became an adventist and then tried to convince Billy Graham of the "truth". Billy Graham listened but didn't accept it. She said this man's wife left him and he was very ill and sickly. Seemed to be a sad story, but that was her version of Billy Graham not accepting the adventist belief. She didn't seem to be able to understand how he couldn't accept the "truth". | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 462 Registered: 7-2004 |
Nowisee, what is amazing is that most adventists would agree with that woman!! | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7207 Registered: 3-2004 |
My youngest brother was converted at a Billy Graham crusade in Anaheim Calif. He was advised to study the Bible and be baptized at a Christian church. Well, my brother chose the SDA church as that is all he knew. About 10 years ago he studied himself out of adventism. Unfortunately he has not joined with any Christian church. I keep praying for him. Diana L | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2859 Registered: 10-2004  |
"He knew Saturday was the Sabbath but believed he could reach more people on Sunday, thereby refusing to accept the seal of God and confirming his own condemnation" You mean like how the Adventists hold their "evangelistic" meetings on Sunday, and how Ellen said they could reach more people that day? Ha! Sooo hypocritical... Jeremy | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 630 Registered: 2-2008  |
...very funny Jeremy!!! LOL X2!! | ||
| Akweavers Registered user Username: Akweavers Post Number: 158 Registered: 8-2008 |
I never heard a Billy Graham sermon..woulda been putting myself on satan's ground ya know  I have heard the statement many times though about how all those people flocking to see him were going to be lost. | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1719 Registered: 4-2000  |
Bb, The name of the former Billy Graham man was Emilio Knechtle, a German-speaking General Conference rivivalist. I heard him speak at Union College many years ago, and he strongly recommended all students (yes, ALL of them) to take a theology major due to the nearness of Christ's return. Moreover, he candidly shared his personal life with the students in saying that he did not masturbate and anyone doing so was practicing sin. Though still being a devout Adventist at that time, I was annoyed and shocked with his historical and hysterical Adventist views. However, he had the full support and confidence of the General Conference brethern. Another well-known German-speaking SDA evangelist/revivalist many decades ago was Frederick F. Schwindt. One of his books had a chapter devoted to his strong opposition to life insurance. Of course, he was closely following the advice of Ellen White on that topic. If Ellen would have had some life insurance, she would not have burdened her young church with paying sixty thousand dollars (over many years) to pay her many creditors after her death. In today's dollars, she died owing over one million dollars to creditors. Apparently, as always, she didn't follow her own advice to "shun debt as leprosy." Dennis Fischer | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 1046 Registered: 11-2007 |
Wow, I never heard she said that Jeremy! ha. Thanks for link Leigh Anne - that's evidence enough for me. My information was not taken as credible because I found it on the "internet" while hearsay is evidently more reliable. lol. | ||
| Mommamayi Registered user Username: Mommamayi Post Number: 827 Registered: 12-2007  |
My dad always had a lot of praise for Emilio. I'm not sure exactly what the connection was, but I remember him visiting a couple of times when we lived in MT. Perhaps he was conducting some kind of meetings? I remember him lifting me up to get my balloon off the ceiling! As a pastor's daughter, I grew up right in the heart of Adventism, with prominent SDA's such as George Vandemann, and Morris Venden visiting our home. My parents rented a house from EGW's grandson during their college days at PUC. Back to the subject of this thread: Billy Graham and Paul Harvey were the two most talked up non SDA "famous people" my parents esteemed. My mom would always watch the Billy Graham crusades on TV, and I remember being told the same thing, about him feeling he could influence more people with Sunday. Jeremy, an EXCELLENT point! When studying my way out of Adventism, I was blown away to read how EGW suggested the Adventist's in Australia get around the Sunday laws they might encounter. Here she had a neat little plan to comply, and I had been living in fear of the coming laws all my life. What a mess. I think I need a mocha now. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2862 Registered: 10-2004 |
In fact, EGW actually told her followers to receive the Mark of the Beast! First, here is a statement of hers on the Mark of the Beast:
But then later she wrote:
So here she tells her followers to do the things which she had said would cause them to receive the Mark of the Beast! And she says that "Whenever it is possible, let religious services be held on Sunday"!!! This is not Joseph Smith, this is Ellen White writing!  Also, she claimed that her letters were "inspired" and "the word of God"--and yet notice that she says "I will try to answer your question"!!! True prophets don't talk like that. The apostles did not talk like that in their letters (epistles)! Jeremy | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 1055 Registered: 11-2007 |
Fascinating quotes there!! I guess this would explain why my mom did not want to mow her lawn on Sunday morning. She said she didn't want to disrespect Christians who observed Sunday as their holy day. This gave me the opportunity to explain to her why she isn't going to offend anyone by mowing her lawn on Sunday. She was surprised to learn that most Christians could care less what day she goes to church and that those who viewed Sunday as a "Sabbath" were now a small minority of overall Christianity. | ||
| Mommamayi Registered user Username: Mommamayi Post Number: 828 Registered: 12-2007 |
Yep, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Thanks for sharing the quotes Jeremy. It's handy to have both references to ask a probing SDA how they reconcile those two? | ||
| Akweavers Registered user Username: Akweavers Post Number: 161 Registered: 8-2008 |
Yeah we were always told not go outside and work on Sunday because we might offend the neighbors. Didn't seem so wierd back then. Now of course, it is easy to see the double talking nonsense for what it really is. Thank the Lord. |
