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Foofighter
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Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 12:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Has anyone seen this on Spectrum? A new book by scholars about EGW? I think they are mostly SDA, except for Ron Numbers. Not totally sure about that, but did ask the question if they were all, if not mostly SDA...

Take a gander at this. What do you think?
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Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 12:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hadn't seen this. Here's the link: http://www.spectrummagazine.org/blog/2009/10/04/scholars_publish_book_ellen_white

And a quote from the press release:


quote:

The Seventh-day Adventist Church is one of the four most innovative denominations founded in the United States in the nineteenth century, along with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; the Church of Christ, Scientist; and the Jehovah’s Witnesses. At the present time, the SDA church has the largest worldwide membership of the four.

“The LDS denomination and its leaders have undergone thorough historical treatment, and Christian Science has been extensively examined as well,” said Gary Land. “Much less attention has been accorded the Witnesses and the Adventists. Wider scholarly discussions on Ellen White are long overdue.”

Contact:
Gary Land
Chair, History and Political Studies
Andrews University
269-471-3511
land@andrews.edu




Wow. Notice how they themselves group SDA with LDS, JW, and Christian Science! LOL. So how can they get upset if we do the same? And isn't it funny how they refer to them as "the four most innovative denominations"? Right--not exactly "contend[ing] earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints." (Jude 1:3 NASB.)

Jeremy

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They are right when they call themselves a denomination in this context. According to Babylon Dictionary a denomination is a "name (particularly of a class of things); kind, class; religious sect." They are religious and they form "a class of things" like a class of false religions. They are wrong when they call themselves a denomination in the context of Christan religion.

Hec
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Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 2:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Unbelievable! But I'm pretty sure I know the spin that will be put on that. I've heard several times over the years as an SDA that every time God does something important/prophetic, there are always counterfeits at the same time to detract. So they think the other three are the devil's counterfeits while EGW is from God.
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Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 4:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh yeah....the counterfeit "logic"....
Foofighter
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Jeremy,

Thanks for the link. Innovative? Well, I guess that's one way to put it. Not the word I would have chosen, but then I don't work for the church.

Raven,

Before we left the church, we were attending a "Bible" study with Adventists, one of which was a real fruitloop. I think he fancied himself some kind of prophet or something. Anyway, the topic of Mormon's came up, and he made the comment that "the counterfeit always comes before the true." I had never heard anything like that before. Is this an SDA way of thinking?

Carol

I thought I posted this already, so if it shows up in a random spot...I guess I messed up!!!!
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Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 6:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well,

I went. I read. And, I posted my reaction:


quote:

Having read through the introdution and then most of the comments, one curious things stands out.

It appears to me that officals within the SDA church are compairing themselves in a group of four, the other three of which are known in the orthodox Christain world as cults.

One has to wonder if they are not openly attaching the same title to themeselves.

Most folks have never heard of Ellen G. White. If you don't first examine the theology of the SDA church as it compairs to the Bible, for what reason should anyone care to know who she was?




Just could not resist saying something!

Fearless Phil
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Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 6:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That is why you are Fearless Phil!!!
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Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 8:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Way to be Fearless, Phil!!!! =) Great work! My thoughts exactly.

I have heard numerous times that Joseph Smith was the devil's attempt to discredit the true prophetic gift of Ellen White.. to be a distraction and cause doubt (because... it's so easy to associate them as being in the same genre.) I don't know how many people mistook us for Mormons when we were sda.. people who had never heard of sda.. they would start ask us questions and we were like.... "No, that would be the Mormons" ha.

When I read the word "innovative" there I really laughed out loud. It is so very true. All cults have to be, like people selling snake oil have to be innovative.. because they have nothing of value, they just make you think they do. Seeing themselves list themselves with the other great cults just boggles my mind.... I can't even begin to imagine the Southern Baptists or Lutherans comparing themselves with these other groups. Truly bizarre... I want to say, "Don't look now but your cult is showing." LOL.
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Hi Sondra,

I read your comment on Spectrum, and I was wondering what the title of the book is that you referred to regarding the history of Battle Creek. Sounds really interesting.

Thanks,
Carol
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Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 9:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's called "Battle Creek - The Place Behind the Products - an Illustrated History"

by Larry B. Massie & Peter J. Schmitt

This was a cool find one day in the sale book rack a the library. Chapters 3 & 4 deal in depth with egw, sda religion, and the health industry. You really get a bigger picture of all the things going on there during that point in time, and all the various influences. I found it SO interesting. Don't know if it's still available. I really loved it because it was the only thing I've ever read that had been researched from a historical point of view and not one of pro or con sda.
Sondra

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Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 1:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thaks for the info. I just ordered one on abebooks.com
Will be interesting I am sure. :-)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 5:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The book; Battle Creek the Place Behing the Products, is out of print but used copies are available at Barnes and Noble or Amazon online. I bought a used copy which is in 'like new' condition. To me, it is a book well worth having, since I am a bit of a history buff. Basicly, it talks about Battle Creek from a non-SDA point of view.

Fearless Phil
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Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 7:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mary,
Can you order this book through your book store??
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Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 7:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

:-) I can, but not for any less than the internet sites. It looks like there are a number for sale at half.com and amazon marketplace as well.

Thanks for asking!
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Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 8:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mary,
if the cost is the same or even a little more...that is fine.
i would rather support you, a single mom and sister in Christ, than ...

Please look up my email address and get me started.

love
handmaiden
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Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 9:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Handmaiden,

I sent you an email at what I think is your address. Let me know if you get it!

Blessings,

Mary
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Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 9:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mary,
i got your email and i signed up for a catalog. :-)

Thanks

handmaiden
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Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 2:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mary, where do I sign up for a catalog?

Richard

rtruitt@mac.com

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Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 10:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Richard,

Check your email. Or, click here.

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Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 5:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Sondra,

Thanks for the info. I just ordered my copy. Can't wait to read it.

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