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| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1071 Registered: 7-2007 |
When I bought some sliced turkey, I noticed that they used the same machine to slice the turkey that they had just used to slice some pork salami for the customer ahead of me. When I was an Adventist, I would have been horrified and would have asked them to wash the slicing machine first, or I wouldn't have bought the turkey. How about the rest of you? How strict were you or was I just extra legalistic? (I was even concerned that I not think secular thoughts on Sabbath!) | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 625 Registered: 3-2009 |
I was never that picky. However, I do know a man who would go to a restaurant and ask the watress if they used the same utensil to stir the beef that they used to stir the pork. so, I guess you were not extra legalistic compare to the "norm". | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7603 Registered: 3-2004  |
I read every label to make sure it did not have pork in the food. I never bought freshly sliced meat as I did not eat it. I was picky and very legalistic. Not that way now!!! I am so free!!! Thank you awesome God!!! Diana | ||
| Honestwitness Registered user Username: Honestwitness Post Number: 941 Registered: 7-2005  |
I was never this strict, but I knew a family of 'feast' Adventists that were extremely strict. The women never wore slacks, only dresses with hems exactly 9 inches from the floor and long sleeves, even in hot summertime. They also wore leggings or thick socks to cover any part of their ankles that might show, even in hot summertime. They never cut their hair AND wore triangle-shaped scarves on their heads. Of course, no make-up or jewelry. The men didn't shave and wore suspenders, instead of belts. (Or was that the Mennonites I knew?) They sewed their own underwear, which used drawstrings instead of elastic, because EGW said elastic (or tight clothing) was unhealthy. They tried not using any electricity on sabbath, but admitted to me they gave that up, because it was just too impractical. I called them 'feast' Adventists, because they celebrated all the OT feasts. They also didn't use the names Jesus or God. Everything was 'Yah.' The family I knew had a teenage daughter and two teenage sons who looked just like their parents. They always got down on their knees during every prayer, even when the rest of the church was standing. They were quite a spectacle. I wonder whatever happened to them. | ||
| Martin Registered user Username: Martin Post Number: 91 Registered: 11-2008 |
No, I was never one... At least when it came to food. I ate pork a few times, even long time before I started thinking about leaving the church. If, for example, I was in one place and all there was to eat was pork... I'd eat it. I might have felt a bit guilty later, but in any case I could not understand how just eating it would make me be more "sinful" than doing other stuff. I'd try to avoid eating it if I could and never ate it in a frequent manner, because of its "unhealthiness", but I thought that I wasn't going to die if I had to eat it. Anyway, three years ago I went to Singapore in an exchange program... And, well, you can not be too picky in that part of the world. Many meals would be loaded with "forbidden things"... I never ate as much weird stuff as that year. There's even that "misterious" meat I ate once in Thailand that I initially thought it was chicken, but there was way too much skin and too little meat in there to certainly know. | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 630 Registered: 3-2009 |
Healthwise, is pork worse than beef? Hec | ||
| Believer247 Registered user Username: Believer247 Post Number: 59 Registered: 3-2009 |
My husband & I were pretty liberal Adventists. He had been raised in a super strict, legalististic home, and I was raised in a home with only my mom was Adventist so I was raised a little more liberally. We ate "clean" meat and occasionly ate bacon or ham, with a little twinges of guilt! We both did not like the Loma Linda canned foods. We also ate out on Saturdays after church occasionly and many times went out to eat before sundown on Saturday nights. We even shopped a few times on Saturday afternoons, I always felt guilty. One time we had gone camping and needed a few things from Walmart so drove to Walmart on Saturday afternoon. We were going down one of the food aisles and there was one of the local church members doing her grocery shopping! Talk about laughing to ourselves. We spoke to her and laughed, saying oh you do this too huh?. She smiled sheepishly and went on. When we ate in resturants I didn't worry about whether something had pork in it or not and I didn't read labels much when shopping. I did buy vegetarian refried beans most of the time for mexican dishes because of lard being in the regular cans especially if I was bringing the dish to a potluck or for after church company. But if it was just for us, sometimes I bought the regular lard filled refried beans. We also regularly watched TV on Friday nights & Saturday afternoons, went to movies occasionly. Didn't feel too guilty about that. I always liked reading fiction even if Ellen said it was wrong. Sometimes felt guilty for thinking and talking about secular things on Saturday. When we had company over after church, most of the time the talk eventually turned to secular things. I guess we were "Badventists!" | ||
| Doc Registered user Username: Doc Post Number: 440 Registered: 2-2003  |
Hi Martin, In Singapore, it might even have been rat. I worked with a Hindu guy once who was of Malayalam extraction, but was brought up in Singapore (really nice guy, actually). He said freshly-born raw rat was a great delicacy. I am not kidding (and I don't think he was, either). I have never had scruples about food, but I guess I would draw the line at that... Adrian | ||
| Doc Registered user Username: Doc Post Number: 441 Registered: 2-2003 |
If Ellen said reading fiction was wrong, why did she write it...??? AB | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 3054 Registered: 10-2004  |
Good question, Adrian! Jeremy | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1581 Registered: 6-2006  |
I thought she copied it...  | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1072 Registered: 7-2007 |
Yes, she wrote some pretty weird stuff; such as tea and coffee being narcotics - zzzzzzzzzzzzz! and meat bringing out the animal propensities - something like that - Jesus ate meat! (and even Ellen herself! ) and that there should be at least 5 hours between every meal. It's sad how people follow blindly and don't carefully check things out for themselves. I'm speaking of myself too. I would still be an Adventist if the Lord hadn't rescued me. I would be still making sure I didn't eat a speck of pork and carefully reading labels. Strange how legalists pick and choose what they're legalistic about. I would eat cinnamon flavored candy even though she said not to eat spices and I'd eat chocolate, though people told me that chocolate had caffeine in it. | ||
| Martin Registered user Username: Martin Post Number: 92 Registered: 11-2008 |
Rat! Ha! Didn't think about it A guy told us that it might be dog... By the time he said it, more than half of the dog was already barking inside my stomach, so I just finished it. Better not to know what it was! Anyway, I heard that in some South-east Asian countries, like Vietnam and Laos, rat has become sort of a really popular dish. Not saying that it isn't true in Singapore, but from what I got to see I somehow doubt it to happen in regulated and licensed places... Singapore government is very strict when it comes to apply their laws, and they are up to first world standards in almost everything. But... I guess it could happen within smaller communities and less regulated places. As I said, I ate my "misterious meat" in Thailand and I just bought it in a small street stall. Back to the topic... What surprises me, especially if you look at it from outside, is how much Adventism revolves around food. Thank God we know that His kingdom is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit (Romans 14:17). About chocolate, the truth is that it doesn't contain caffeine... What cocoa has is another chemical called theobromine, somewhat similar to caffeine in composition since both are from the same family of alkaloids. When caffeine is processed in the body, one of the by-products is theobromine. Its effects in the body are generally softer than those from caffeine, but it could stimulate the heart to a higher degree. It is and has been used to medically treat several conditions. It seems that the amounts of theobromine in common chocolate are so low that you should eat a relatively large amount to suffer effects comparable to one cup of coffee. | ||
| Believer247 Registered user Username: Believer247 Post Number: 62 Registered: 3-2009 |
We also ate a lot of chocolate, hated carob. One really funny things about the potlucks at the SDA church we attended......there was usually LOTS of desserts, many containing chocolate. And most of the time, there were very little, if any of the desserts left. The line for the desserts was always a long one, and many went back for seconds and thirds. So here's another example of pick and choose what Ellen rule you follow. We always drank coffee and tea too. Never liked postum or caffree...something that was sold in our SDA health food store. | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 620 Registered: 1-2007 |
I was not raised a vegetarian and so when I joined the church I tried to go that route. It did not bode well with my system. It also made me very sleepy and had to take a nap. Can not sleep while you are driving for a living. I did however for many, many years avoid eating pork because I got tricinosis from it when I was a teen-ager. I have since learned why pigs got the worm. Our daughter raises our pork for us and is very careful in what they eat. At potlucks at the church I would only eat salads knowing it would stay with me and not send me off arunnin'. | ||
| Pnoga Registered user Username: Pnoga Post Number: 296 Registered: 1-2007  |
I don't know anyone else's experience but from the small handful of Adventist churches that I attended regularely about 3 of them, most of the people there seemed overweight or had some kind of health issue, and they were the most strict when it came to the health message from EGW. They stay away from pork, crab, shrimp etc claiming it to be unhealthy, but stuff their faces with all kinds of sugar, pasta and potatoes. Seems like EGW forgot to get a vision from God about how dangerous sugar and high carbs can be if eaten in large amounts. Now I grew up eating pork my whole life, and don't get me started on the sea food, I would gladly give up all other foods to just survive on sea food, love it. And I would go as far as to say that I was healthier than most in the Adventist churches I attended. As for Adventist's not eating meat, there was a study put out just a few months ago, stating that brain's actually shrink from a diet of no meats. Explains it all to me, don't know about you guys? Paul | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1586 Registered: 6-2006 |
Paul, you're describing my whole SDA family. They avoid unclean meats at all cost, checking labels for animal fats, etc. At the same time, most of what they eat is carbs and starches. Any time we get together as a family there's always rice, bread, pasta, corn, potatoes. Lots of fried stuff as well and always sweets. Consequently, my in-laws have high blood pressure, morbid obesity, diabetes. It doesn't make sense, and they know what they're doing. Thankfully they don't usually talk about or judge other people about the food they eat. Leigh Anne | ||
| Doc Registered user Username: Doc Post Number: 443 Registered: 2-2003 |
As far as I have heard, the really strict, historical "Christian Advent Fellowship" people here in Hungary are a pretty overweight and unhealthy bunch. No meat, but lots of cake! As for the brain shrinking, maybe that explains a few things. Adrian | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1587 Registered: 6-2006 |
I don't know Paul, Randyg and Diana (mommymayi) are both vegetarians and they're two of the smartest and creative people I know. If it's true about shrunken brains, Good heavens! I can't imagine what they'd be like if they did eat meat! L.A. | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 637 Registered: 3-2009 |
Vegetarian diet = shrunken brain? I'm running to the meat market! On the other hand, maybe the brain size is due to what EGW says about flesh products exciting and inflaming the tissues. Could it be that the size of the brain is a result of the inflammation caused by eating meat? WOW! Am I proud of myself. I still can talk like a bona fide SDA. Lord help me! Hec |
