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Pnoga
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 10:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am having another discussion on the SDA Facts FB group with someone named Lance. He wanted me to provide scripture the shows that Jesus is our Sabbath rest. I put together a study that reveals Sabbath and the covenant and points to Jesus as being our Sabbath and our everlasting covenant. Here is the link to my study note on FB

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created&&suggest&note_id=188392221677#/note.php?note_id=188392221677&ref=mf

Here is the link to the discussion, feel free to drop by and share a few verses or comments. I'm hoping he will begin to see God's truth.

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created&&suggest&note_id=188392221677#/topic.php?uid=20496881896&topic=10034

If there is anyone here of FAF whom is not on FB just send me your email and I will gladly send you my study notes.

Paul
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 11:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I posted some responses to other things Lance posted on the FAF Facebook group. I am not sure I will continue the debate because arguing with an SDA is like arguing with a brick wall. Nothing can get through to them because they just cling to their magic mixture of proof-texts and humanistic philosophy.
Pnoga
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 1:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hear you after I posted this study he quickly posted a bunch of garbage on Sunday and the catholic claiming authority to change Sabbath to Sunday. Ugh, I get so angry and the naivity of these SDAs. I shouldn't waste my time. but I figure how can they argue with scripture. I mean I posted in conext from old to new and he still argued about Sabbath Sunday. I told Him it's not about Sunday or Saturday it's about Jesus He is the Day.

Paul
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 1:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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Ugh, I get so angry and the naivity of these SDAs.



Naivete? I don't thing so. I think it's more like hard headed(te). They don't sound too naive when they argue. They sound more like, "I have to be right no matter what" to me.

Hec
Believer247
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 1:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The reason it is impossible for us to get through to Adventists is because of the veil that covers their faces.....and their eyes are blinded. Until that veil is lifted, they cannot see what the Bible really says.
Pegg
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 2:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's right, Believer...Paul says They Can't!
Have pity you guys - and patience.
God's not through with us yet either.

Pegg:-):-)
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 2:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paul, they actually believe they CAN argue with Scripture because they do not believe the words of Scripture are inspired. It's not an absolute, unmoving source of truth. To them, the words of Scripture are for interpretation.

If we have to play with Ellen's words, figuring out how to make her suitable for today, then we can similarly play with Scripture's words. After all, those Bible writers merely wrote down what they understood God to mean. In other words, God allowed their cultural and personal misconceptions and biases to color what they wrote.

So there you go...we have to interpret for today! They have no ground of truth.

Colleen
Psalm107v2
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 7:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Very true Colleen-the only ground they have is that they are "in the truth" even though they do not know they have been deceived

Paul, I have chosen not to interact with Lance personally (I tend to now try and talk one on one with SDAs rather than electronically in groups like FB) He regularly particpates in the SDA FB (Lydia does so less frequently) and he tends to call "evangelical/moderate" SDAS on the carpet for not holding to SDA doctrines in a traditional/conservative manner.

He's part of a growing trend that I see of the under 30 crowd who are now holding onto EGW but with a Gen X mentality.

Be prepared to see some "heels digging in".
Psalm107v2
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 7:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paul I'm not real learned on all the terms surrounding rhetoric debates etc. But it seems to me that he is setting up a strong man argument I don't think he even addressed anything you said but often that is par for the course when in those forums
Gcfrankie
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Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 2:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paul,
I read most of your postings and it brought to mind carm where sda's jump down rabbit holes when they can not give a straight answer with scripture. In other words they bring in the so called sunday law.
Gail
Pnoga
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Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 6:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree, I am just going to keep pressing him to post scripture, He can spat EGW quotes all he wants, maybe someone else will read it and think twice about what they believe. especially if they can't prove with scripture.

Paul
Pegg
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Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 6:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You go Paul!

"I see your Ellen and I raise you Jesus --> Let the best Man win!"

Pegg:-):-)

(Message edited by pegg on November 01, 2009)

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