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| Benevento Registered user Username: Benevento Post Number: 314 Registered: 4-2005 |
A friend of mine recommended I read "Creation and the Second Coming" by Henry M. Morris--I couldn't find it locally so I ordered it from Amazon--and on the back was a recommendation by Tim LaHaye, refresh my memory, I know I rejected his theology but now I can't remember why. What does anyone know about Mr.Morris? Would appreciate any input--I just started the book and so far it seems all right--but its mostly introduction. Peggy | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 1941 Registered: 5-2007  |
Peggy, Henry M. Morris founded the Creation Research Institute. While some may dispute some of his theology, he was (he died a few years ago) very solid in the vital doctrines of our salvation. One of the contributors to the scientific side of the institution is an Adventist and may have infulenced some of his commentary. We have a copy of his study bible in our home and I noticed that he was very much against the use of alcoholic beverages. His institute supports a literal reading of Genesis Chapter One and a six-day creation. Which, by the way, is the same position that I take. Fearless Phil | ||
| Doc Registered user Username: Doc Post Number: 502 Registered: 2-2003  |
Hi Peggy, I read some of Morris's books quite a few years ago as a young Christian. Scientific Creationism and the Genesis Flood (I think). They were useful to me as I got saved just after finishing my PhD in chemistry. Morris takes the Bible seriously, but also backs things up with thorough scientific evidence, as opposed to scientific hypothesis. As a scientist and a Christian, I am quite happy with the young-earth creationist view that he takes. I haven't read anything of his on the end times. Tim LaHaye is co-author of the Left Behind series, which follows the dispensational-premillennialist view of eschatology (pre-trib rapture). Although this is very popular, and it was the first view I ever learnt, I don't believe in it any more. For one thing, dispensationalism conflicts with my present understanding of the new covenant. God bless, Adrian | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 5837 Registered: 9-2006  |
Hey Doc, Although I lean to the pre-trib rapture, or more like a mite INTO the trib where God will seperate the men from the boys, or the real Christians from the false, I promise I won't throw a rotten tomato your way though.  | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1619 Registered: 6-2006  |
As a side note, we have the aforementioned Creation Institute right here in San Diego. It's a great place to visit! Leigh Anne | ||
| Doc Registered user Username: Doc Post Number: 503 Registered: 2-2003 |
River, I see no reason to divide over as yet unproven eschatological theories :-) On the other hand, as far as I am aware, no-one in church history taught the pre-trib rapture until the early 19th century, about the same time as SDA came up with the IJ (Smile again) Adrian | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 1560 Registered: 7-2003  |
Well, there's some debate as to whether we should attribute this Byzantium text to Ephraem of Syria or just attribute it to pseudo-Ephraem, but either way the date of 373 A.D. seems to be pretty solid.
I believe there were a couple of guys in the 1700’s teaching the same thing (Emmanuel Lacunza and Morgan Edwards). Of course having earlier or later dates doesn’t make this particular eschatological model right or wrong. That can only be determined on the basis of how it does or doesn't fit the biblical data. However, in the interest of accuracy I think it’s a bit of a myth that the pre-trib rapture was first taught in the 1800’s. To be sure, it first became very prominent in North America in that time frame, but it’s probably been around longer. …just for the record… Chris | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 5839 Registered: 9-2006 |
You know...I haven't studied Revelations through in quite a while I have read trough it many times over. I was intensely interested in Bible prophecy in the early years for a long time, but have forgotten much of what I learned. But basically, without going to Revelations to read, the purpose of the trib is that God will pour out his wrath. I can see no logical reason for him to pour out his wrath on his own elect. Now histroy tells us clearly that there have been many atrocities worked on Christians, that is undeniable, we are not assured of never suffering. However, that is not God pouring out his wrath in Christians. If some one could explain why he would do this, I might change my mind about it. Starting with Revelations 16:1 it really starts to get hairy. River | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 714 Registered: 7-2008  |
During the Flood did God take the "church" from the earth, let the waters receed and put them back on the earth?,,,Nope. He delivered them "thru the storm" via the Ark. Cant God deliver His church thru the time of trouble as well, thus displaying to all His ability to take care of His children thru His falling Wrath?? ...This is JUST a thought to ponder. Animal is no bible scholar by any means. I know not the future except that God has it all in control. ....Animal | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1620 Registered: 6-2006 |
In the prophetic words of Maxwell Smart (Agent 86), "Expect it when you least expect it." Leigh Anne | ||
| Doc Registered user Username: Doc Post Number: 504 Registered: 2-2003 |
River and Animal, You are actually both right in the comments you make. The view I lean to is called the "pre-wrath" theory, which puts the rapture at the end of Revelation 6, when the lamb opens the sixth seal. This fits quite nicely with Matthew 24 and Joel 3 (spanning the church age). So the church is around for the beginning of the tribulation, and Satan is allowed to persecute the church, but is removed before God pours his wrath out on the unbelievers, in the trumpet and bowl judgements, for instance. That in a nutshell. I haven't really studied it much in a while either. Adrian | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 5840 Registered: 9-2006 |
Oh, OK Doc, then actually...we are on the same page...you know...I think we probably got a lot in common in our thinking. I might imagine it would be nice to have the time to go back and really study prophecy, but I just don't have the time. I'll bet its the same way with you. I think I still have the disks to the 1999 prophecy summit. I might have gotten them lost by now. But it was great to hear all those real experts on prophecy speak. Those are people to whom God has given the ministry too. River | ||
| Benevento Registered user Username: Benevento Post Number: 315 Registered: 4-2005 |
Thanks all for your comments. So I'll read the book and it will be interesting to see how he equates creation with end times--I feel that if God sends the trials or permits them, He will see us through them so if I misunderstand a prophecy in Revelation I'm still a child of God. The apostle's certainly didn't have a clear understanding of Christ's mission until Pentecost. Leigh Ann if I ever get to San Diego again I'll certainly try to see the Creation Institute! Thanks for the suggestion! Peggy | ||
| Christo Registered user Username: Christo Post Number: 200 Registered: 2-2008 |
You know another thing that Maxwell Smart agent 86 always said when he was in a tough situation of bondage by Chaos agents was, "Would you believe?" right before he would tell some outlandish story. What outlandish stories those in bondage can conjure to get out of facing the facts. Oh yah old episodes of get smart are on youtube. Chris | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 483 Registered: 12-2007 |
"I know not the future except that God has it all in control. "Animal Animal you just cant know how much that hit home with me this morning. Thank you. Please remember my son and his family in your prayers (they have 3 sons) they are going through a VERY difficult time right now. I am not free to give details, but please, please pray for them... my heart is breaking. Francie |
