| Author | Message | ||
| Cortney Registered user Username: Cortney Post Number: 102 Registered: 8-2006 |
My husband and inlaws say Billy Graham addmitted he 'knows' the 'sabbath truth', but won't teach it because people would no longer want to follow him. I fon't follow Billy Graham but he has done alot for the Christian world and I enjoy some of his writings. They say they have 'proof' of this. Where is the proof? Is this true? I've heard both my husband and mil curse Billy Graham to hell, because supposedly he knows 'the truth' and doesn't obey it. Does anyone know anything about this supposed confession? | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7966 Registered: 3-2004  |
I have heard that since I was a child in sda grade school. Graduated 8th grade in 1953. I think it is just a lie/untruth/wishful thinking. It has been around as long as I have and I am a senior citizen. Diana L | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7967 Registered: 3-2004 |
I went to the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association website where they had a contact form. I sent them an email asking if what I had been told was true. What I wrote was that I had been told, in SDA schools, that Billy Graham knew about the sabbath but did not keep it as he would lose to much. I will let you know what they answer. Diana L (Message edited by Flyinglady on February 26, 2010) | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 629 Registered: 5-2002 |
Urban myth... Like the large Bible that Ellen held at arm's length for a long time. Ask for the evidence of the claim and wait for the blank stare. I went to the BGA crusade at the Rose Bowl a few years back. Upon exit, I was greeted by SDA proselytizers handing out pamphlets showing ferocious beasts with crowns and many eyes - the typical SDA Revelation Tract Society bull plop. I remember thinking of Jesus' parable about the seed that was quickly snatched up by the birds. | ||
| Sharon3 Registered user Username: Sharon3 Post Number: 2 Registered: 2-2010 |
Interesting, I heard that as well and have no faith that it is true, knowing what I know now. Interesting how we were all taught all the same stuff all across the country. | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1646 Registered: 6-2006  |
This came up once before and it's easy to research. I just went into Billy Graham's web site and here's a link to what he had to say. http://www.billygraham.org/LFA_Article.asp?ArticleID=77 Like the rest of us believers, he acknowleges that Saturday was the day the Children of Israel kept Sabbath. No one disputes that. However it doesn't mean that he (or we) believe that Christians are obligated to follow the same laws of the CoI.  Leigh Anne | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 2013 Registered: 5-2007  |
Lannie, Great link...thanks. In the old days it was a challenge to expose false claims such as this. What with computers and the internet, they need to watch what they put in print or gush forth from their mouths. After all, it is what comes out of a blackened heart that pollutes a person. Just one little question. What is "CoI"? Fearless Phil | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 10982 Registered: 12-2003  |
Children Of Israel. Colleen | ||
| Freedom55 Registered user Username: Freedom55 Post Number: 48 Registered: 3-2008 |
I first heard this rumor from Emilio Knechtle in the '70's. He supposedly had a family connection with Billy Graham from his wife's side and made this comment at a public meeting. I guess if you tell a story long enough, people will believe its true. And I suppose they want to believe its true. Sad isn't it. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7972 Registered: 3-2004 |
I heard this story back in the late 1940s/early 50s in SDA school. So it has been around a long time. Diana L | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 2015 Registered: 5-2007 |
What I find sad is that Adventists seem more concerned with what they think a non-adventist thinks rather than what they really believe. Nor, are they willing to look at the foundation for Orthodox doctrine. For instance, on the topic of the Sabbath, do they really believe Billy Graham supported SDA teaching that 'Sabbath Keeping' will be the evidence that a person has recieved the mark of the beast? After all, that is the logical end result if Adventist theology is correct. The real big evidence, to me, is I have never heard of an Adventist objectively testing Ellen's claim to be God's prophet. When has anyone tested her according to the biblical requirements? In all of their writtings, I have never seen this done without warping the meaning of Scripture. Fearless Phil | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 286 Registered: 5-2009 |
Freeatlast---Here's something that popped out at me today: "Like false teachers today, the Judaizers were not busy winning lost people to Christ. Rather, they were stealing other men's converts and bragging about their statistics." From "The Wiersbe Bible Commentary", pg. 547; commentary on Galatians by Warren Wiersbe. I've seen this with my own eyes many times as an SDA. Besides them doing this at the BG meetings, they were at a "Steeling the Mind" Christian conference passing out tracts with EGW quotes (her name did not appear at all and of course the words SDA were nowhere to be found. I recognized the quote and told the woman who gave it to me that 1844 & the IJ were totally non-Biblical and why were they "witnessing" to Christians anyway.) Well, we know why, but she looked awfully surprised when I said this! | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 7995 Registered: 3-2004 |
This is the reply I received from the B. Graham association. Diana Dear Diana, Thank you for contacting us. We appreciate your desire to know if a statement attributed to Mr. Graham that indicates that he does not teach Saturday as the Sabbath for fear that he would lose the crowds to whom he preaches. Although some Seventh Day Adventist leaders have frequently quoted this comment, it is a statement that has never been confirmed. It is claimed that Mr. Graham made the statement in a private conversation. Yet, there is no documentation to verify or deny the comments. However, Mr. Graham is a man of integrity and as such he practices his beliefs openly. With that thought in mind it is important to recognize that Mr. Graham has always followed the practice of worshipping on Sunday, the Lord’s Day. To attribute to him a statement that suggests Mr. Graham is a man-pleaser and would compromise his convictions for fear of losing his audience seems rather discourteous. Since Mr. Graham has spoken or written little on the Sabbath, our Christian Guidance department has researched this matter separately. Perhaps the information about the Sabbath at the close of this message will help you understand more clearly the purpose of the commanded day of rest. We pray that the Lord will enrich your life, filling you with all joy and peace in believing. Sincerely, Jamie M. Adams (lw) Christian Guidance Department Billy Graham Evangelistic Association SABBATH Jesus told us that "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27). The New International Version Study Bible tells us in its footnotes on this verse, "Jewish tradition had so multiplied the requirements and restrictions for keeping the Sabbath that the burden had become intolerable. Jesus cut across these traditions and emphasized the God-given purpose of the Sabbath-a day intended for man . . . (see Exodus 20:8-11)." The Hebrew word from which "Sabbath" is derived means "to rest." In the command to observe the Sabbath, there is no mention of a day of the week. It is a command to observe "the rest" one day out of seven. Jesus clearly teaches that the Fourth Commandment was not given to make us legalistically locked into a Saturday or Sunday observance. Rather, the Sabbath is to be a day given to resting--renewing our bodies and refreshing our souls through the worship of God and fellowship with other believers. Prior to the giving of the Law at Mount Sinai, the Israelites worshiped God every day. As the Law took on more legalistic aspects, that worship was confined to one day. Christ came to lead us back to the every-day-worship of God. Though the Sabbath day of rest is still commanded by the Law and called for by the Lord, we need to realize that for many that day will not be the same. For example, very few pastors take their Sabbath (their day of rest) on either Saturday or Sunday. In commenting on the Fourth Commandment, Mr. Graham has said, "We are to have a day that we come apart and worship God. It's a special day set apart for that purpose." In any case, all Christians would agree that our faith is not limited to a day, nor are we saved by being obedient to the rules of a certain day. We are saved through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; see Ephesians 2:8-9. After we receive Christ as Savior, we have God's love "poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit" (Romans 5:5, NKJ) and we desire to worship and serve Him every day of the week. Additional Study: Within the wider Christian community you will find various opinions concerning the validity of the Sabbath day in modern times. Some Christians believe the command to keep the Sabbath no longer applies to New-Testament Christians. Many Christians, however, believe Sabbath-keeping has continued into the Church Age; but there is not full agreement among these when and how the Sabbath should be kept. Therefore, we urge those studying this subject, first of all, to seek the wisdom of the Scriptures in the light of one's own Christian community, asking the Holy Spirit for guidance and understanding. One's pastor may be able to recommend biblical and historical materials to assist as well. | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 895 Registered: 3-2009 |
I would say that this would not hold. The commandment says: “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. Hec | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1206 Registered: 7-2007 |
I agree with Hec. When people have so little understanding of the Bible, so as to not know what they should do about the Sabbath, they are definitely Adventists-waiting-to-happen. Back when I was an Adventist, my non-Adventist boyfriend would say something like "as long as we keep one day in seven", which had absolutely no impact on me as an Adventist. He had no understanding of the purpose of the Sabbath or of it's clear fulfillment in Jesus; so he certainly couldn't explain it to me! It wasn't until years later that I learned the truth about the gospel (and not from him!) The Bible is SO clear about how the Sabbath (along with the rest of the law) was commanded 430 years AFTER Abraham and was to continue until Christ. It tells how all the Sabbaths were a shadow of Christ. It tells how the Sabbath was the sign of the old covenant that was made between God and Israel and it tells how the Gentiles weren't even given the law. Also it says that the old covenant is obsolete, since Jesus died and brought in the new covenant. (Message edited by Asurprise on March 03, 2010) (Message edited by Asurprise on March 03, 2010) | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6077 Registered: 9-2006  |
Where in the bible does it mention the day of the week? I would like to see that scripture. I must have missed it. It says to remember the sabbath, but no mention that I have ever found of what day that is. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11017 Registered: 12-2003 |
Speaking of Billy Graham, his online bookstore is selling The Clear Word. Last night our son Roy sent us a link to the page where it is offered. The forum software will not allow me to post the complete URL because of the way the formatting symbols are set up, but here's how you can find the page: Go to this link: http://www.billygrahambookstore.org/categorylist.asp?mymode=2&cid=302414&c=302429 Once there, on the right there is a list of categories to find. Go down to the link that says "Other English" and click on that. You'll see that The Clear Word actually comes up three times at this link. Richard wrote to them last night and sent it to an apologist friend as well. I encourage you to send an email... Colleen | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 3174 Registered: 10-2004  |
It's even worse than that. According to their website, they sell 266 items published by the SDA Church-owned Review & Herald Publishing Association, and 38 items by Autumn House Publishing (a division of Review & Herald)!!! These include books such as Visions and Dreams: Hope for the Future, Courage for Today: A Fresh Look at Daniel and Revelation by Jack Blanco, Optimal Diet: The Official Chip Cookbook, Armageddon at the Door: An Insider's Guide to the Book of Revelation by Jon Paulien, The Incredible Power of Prayer by Roger Morneau, and even The Apocalyptic Vision and the Neutering of Adventism by George Knight! I am actually shocked by this. Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on March 08, 2010) | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8011 Registered: 3-2004 |
I just went to that site and left them a note about the clear word being written to go along with sda theology and egw and that it contradicts the Bible. I asked them to please remove the book from their shelves. Maybe if they hear from enough of us, the book will be removed. Diana L | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6081 Registered: 9-2006 |
I did. It oughta give their aorta a flip. ergo: You are selling a 'clear word Bible' under 'other English' which makes a mockery out of the word of God. Yall need to review stuff before you put it on a site affiliated with Billy Graham. |
