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Free2dance
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Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - 9:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"The king came into the banquet hall, and he noticed one man who was there without wedding clothes. 'Friend,' he asked, 'how did you get in here without wedding clothes?' The man was speechless. The king told the attendants to tie him 'hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.'"

Q1)Why does he call him "friend" and then send him away? The guests they gathered came in off the street, there is no mention of giving them wedding clothes, I doubt they had them on when they were called. So how did this one get in and why did he not have wedding clothes?

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"...he warned the people to obey the Pharisees because they sit in Moses' seat, but they are to do everything they tell them to do, not copy what they actually do."

Q2)I am comfortable with the idea that Moses law is done away with at the cross. But how do I respond to someone who doesn't understand this and presents this as proof that we have to listen to the law of Moses?

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"'You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?' He told them they would kill, crucify, flog, and chase the wise men, PROPHETS, and teachers he WOULD send to them."

Q3) If Jesus did away with the need for any more prophets, why does He say here He would be sending more?

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"...And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth TO THE ENDS OF THE HEAVENS."

Q4) Are those He gaters from the "ends of the heavens" those who are already in heaven?

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Just an observation, never in my life as an adventist had I notices all the teachings on spirits and hell before. I cannot believe how obvious this is and how easy it was to not notice. I think when he called the pharisees sons of Hell I just thought He was name calling, lol. No, I knew He was placing them in Satan's hands, but I had no idea what that really meant.

Thank you Colleen for sharing this Harmony of the Gospels with us. It has been amazing!
Bskillet
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Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - 11:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Q1) The person was thrown out because he did not have the covering of the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ that comes only by faith.

Q2) If a person says this means we must still obey the Law of Moses, then it means we must also obey Rabbinical Judaism--including the Mishnah and Talmud--and in fact one version of Rabbinical Judaism in particularly, namely the still-active Hillel school, which descends from the Pharisees. Rather, Jesus is saying that the Pharisees have temporal and earthly authority, acting within the Old Covenant's earthly authority, so therefore it is better to obey them than to risk condemnation.

Q3) The New Covenant/New Testament gift of prophecy functions differently than the Old Testament prophets did. In the New Testament, prophets are those who proclaim the simple Gospel, not those who have the authority to write new inspired scripture or create new doctrine.

Q4) Yeah, I'd say so.
Free2dance
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Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - 1:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Bskillet. I do understand the context of the text of the parable, but let me show you where I have a question. (Maybe I am reading too much into it).

Jesus calls those who follow him, "friends". I found it odd that when He told this parable He chose to refer to this person as a friend.

Look at this passage:

"14You are my friends if you do what I command you. 15 No longer do I call you servants,for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you." John 15:14-15

For the sake of context Ill add that the command He is talking about is not the 10c.

"'This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.'" V.12

So I am curious as to His choice of words in the parable. Why did He call this person a 'friend'?

Am I straying too far out of context? I just think of the total picture of how Jesus relates to us, His people, and then when I see that word, it just seems intentional.

The ESV says the person refused to accept the clothes offered to him at the door, which is not in the text but has some historical significance at a feast. So if he refused the clothes, which is the offense, why would he be called a friend? And how does this translate into the common Christian walk if this word choice does have significance?
Jeremy
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Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - 5:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Free2dance,

The Greek word in Matthew 22:12 (hetairos) is a completely different word than the Greek word used in John 15:14 (philos).

Jeremy
Free2dance
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Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - 5:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Jeremy. What is the difference?
Jeremy
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Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - 8:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Free2dance,

Here are some definitions for each word:

hetairos:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2083&t=KJV

http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/2083.htm

philos:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G5384&t=KJV

http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/5384.htm

It would seem that philos has more to do with love, while hetairos is more of a common (less personal) address to someone.

Jeremy

(Message edited by jeremy on March 31, 2010)

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