| Author | Message | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1689 Registered: 6-2006  |
Hi friends, one thing I've noticed from my SDA family is (in my opinion) the fixation to how Adam and Eve lived before the fall. It's hard for me to understand. Since Jesus isn't really part of that story (except for prophetically) why is it referred to so often? What is the connection? Just curious,  Leigh Anne | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 694 Registered: 12-2007 |
I think it goes back to the thinking that IF Adam and Eve had not sinned the earth would still be like that "Eden" and Adventists believe that when Christ returns and this earth is destroyed and "made new" that it will once again be like Eden, but this time forever. | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 815 Registered: 2-2008  |
I think it's because they believe that Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath and they were the first Adventists! | ||
| Bobj Registered user Username: Bobj Post Number: 467 Registered: 1-2006  |
Are they vegetarian? Are they trying to suggest that keeping sabbath and vegetarianism are model behaviors? | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8139 Registered: 3-2004  |
Their diet was part of the fixation as they did not eat meat in the Garden of Eden. Diana L | ||
| Psalm107v2 Registered user Username: Psalm107v2 Post Number: 641 Registered: 10-2008  |
I would say ditto to Diana and Indy4now. Also because SDAs do not understand the perfect rest that God offered to Adam & Eve. They do assume that there is a weekly rest which makes the rest that God offered to Israel when He led them out of Egypt and the rest spoken of in Hebrews impossible to understand. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11179 Registered: 12-2003  |
All of the above--PLUS the fact that the "Great Controversy" begins in heaven before creation. Without the mythical "pre-creation" stories EGW taught the Adventists, there would be no scenario on which to hang either the Great Controversy itself or the "great controversy worldview". it all depends upon God exalting Jesus to the position of His Son, of God's thus preferring Jesus over Lucifer, thereby triggering Lucifer's malignant jealousy that prompted him to instigate "war in heaven" and eventually turn 1/3 of the angels against Jesus and also His Father. The great controversy worldview hangs on God's exalting Jesus above Lucifer (as if Jesus weren't originally God--which the founding Adventists believed, by the way--they believed Jesus was either created or emanated from God, and EGW makes statements that Lucifer was originally the highest angel in heaven next to Jesus). This exaltation of Jesus presupposes that Jesus and Lucifer were more or less on an equal playing field--not Creator and created. Because of this original "equal" playing field, Satan has a "legitimate" right to think he can have an ongoing battle with Jesus--called The Great Controversy between Christ and Satan. Because of this ongoing battle, Satan's supposed questions (never hinted at in the Bible) about God's fairness deserve an answer. It must be shown once and for all that God is fair, that His law is fair, His demands are fair, and He is fair in exalting Jesus. Ultimately, the Great Controversy is about revealing that Satan is a scoundrel and Jesus is good, and human believers are the "weight" of evidence that will prove this. Because we place our loyalty with Jesus, that shows that we all see the truth, and Satan has no leg to stand on. God is just after all; Jesus is the good seed; satan is the bad seed. We are the ones who prove this incontrovertibly to the watching (?) universe. EGW's pre-creation scenarios are very, very reminiscent of Joseph Smith's scenarios. He established that Lucifer and Jesus were originally brothers, but Jesus turned out to be the good brother, Lucifer the bad. Because of this original equality, their power is similarly equal. Adventists' fear of Satan is rooted in the great controversy worldview and the accompanying belief that humans don't have spirits that survive death. EGW and Adventism give Satan MUCH MORE play than the Bible does. In the Bible he is simply the evil prince of the powers of the air who accuses believers before God. In reality, Jesus as never been in a controversy with Satan. Jesus is Lucifer's Creator God. He has always been his sovereign, and Jesus defeated satan at the cross when He shed His blood to pay for sin. Moreover, Jesus, not satan, was punished for the sins of the saved. Satan is not the scapegoat. Jesus is. Colleen | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 672 Registered: 7-2004 |
My mom's favorite "health book" aside from ellen's is called "Back to Eden". | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1690 Registered: 6-2006 |
Leave it to Ellen! Sabbath, food, Satan, Sanctuary, Eden... just add this to the list of things that move our eyes away from Jesus. Leigh Anne | ||
| Pnoga Registered user Username: Pnoga Post Number: 352 Registered: 1-2007  |
Colleen Wrote "In the Bible he is simply the evil prince of the powers of the air who accuses believers before God." And in the Bible we are told that the power of sin is the law, and we know that the law shows us we are guilty before God. We are also told in Eph 2 that Jesus did away with the law of commanments in His flesh, allowing Gentiles to become heirs of the promise, the covenant given to Abraham, He tore down the dividing wall which seperated us from the Jews, making the two into one new man. Also in Colossian 2 it says that Jesus took the certificate of debt, with it's obligations that were against us, and opposed to us, He took it away by nailing it to the cross, and He disarmed the rulers and authorities and disgraced them publicly; He triumphed over them by Him. Therefor don't let anyone JUDGE you in regard to food, drink,, a festival, new moon or Sabbath. These were shadows of what was to come; the Substance is Messiah. Paul | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11190 Registered: 12-2003 |
Amen, Paul! Colleen |
