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| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 577 Registered: 5-2009 |
Must share some comments from Angel Rodriguez, director of BRI of GC of sdas in the September 2010 "Adventist World" magazine:
I would very much welcome your comments! | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6808 Registered: 9-2006  |
Yeah, I'd like to comment: Kablloooooy! I just upchucked. This demonstrates without a question that they have no discernment of the word whatsoever! Look at this scripture in contrast to what this corrupt man says:Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? Even the demons knew the fate that awaited them! My question is: What is their major malfunction? River | ||
| Dljc Registered user Username: Dljc Post Number: 131 Registered: 7-2010 |
I agree with River, every demon Jesus encountered knew exactly who He was, even satan did just look at how he began each sentence in Matthew 4 "If you are the Son of God....". The "if" is the intended temptation. One must ask oneself this question though. If you have everything, why would you be tempted by something lesser? Think about it. If you've got a Rolls Royce, would you be tempted by a Yugo? I wouldn't. | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 728 Registered: 1-2007 |
That statement makes me angry, breaking my heart, and cry all at the same time. I just shook my head in disbelief. The guy just does not get it! There are so many examples in the bible that shows the demons knew Jesus even before the earth was created. All you have to do is read the accounts of Jesus taking the demons out of man and how He closed up their mouths from speaking. The clues are there if they would read their bible without the veil of egw/ sda teachings. Gail | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 819 Registered: 7-2008  |
Did Satan truly understand who Christ was?? If he did, then why did he try to tempt Christ during His earthly ministry? ...Animal....just curious here | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1073 Registered: 12-2007 |
My first thought on reading this.... BULLSHIT ! Francie | ||
| Patallen Registered user Username: Patallen Post Number: 142 Registered: 7-2010  |
I'm heaving with anger. I actually had to go online to the Adventist World site and read it for myself. I'm MAD!! I find it hard to believe they even printed it because they are so use to going undercover with their half-truths. Sad, so sad....... | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8609 Registered: 3-2004  |
Like Skeeter, I say BULL SHIT!!!!! Jesus has been, is and will always be God. He cannot sin. As for Mr Rodriguez, he can go to H----!!!!! Sorry for my language. I should expect things like that from adventists. Diana L | ||
| Martinc Registered user Username: Martinc Post Number: 174 Registered: 9-2006 |
This truly an outrage, but we can be grateful that Rodriguez feels so bold in dropping the usual evasions and telling us what he thinks. He shows us how Great Controversy theology with its radical free will take us down some very dark paths. "Every day Jesus struggled against sin...This was a real conflict." Jesus was really capable of failure, or His struggle was not "real conflict." He had to choose between God and Satan, just like we must. "Free will" demands that He was equally capable of choosing Satan, or God. If He couldn't sin, then He wasn't "free." Satan IS powerful enough to defeat Him, and us. By the lucky roll of that great cosmic dice called "free will," He chose God. But it gets worse, because according to Mr. Rodriguez, Jesus DID sin. The example is given of Jesus in Gethsemane, "when His will would have urged Him to preserve His personal life" as opposed to His Father's will to save man. Jesus wanted the cup to pass from him out of naked self-interest. He just wanted to live, poor guy. He's just like us, so we couldn't blame him. The desire to save one's self over others describes nothing but sin. The author is affirming, therefore, that Jesus did NOT have free will, but was predisposed to the sin of selfishness. Here, the truly decisive thing that defeats Satan and sin in the end is not God's goodness or power, not His sovereign purpose to save sinners and glorify Himself. No, it is that fickle thing that John calls the "will of man." In bright contrast, this from Alexander Maclaren: "We stand reverently afar off, and ask, not too curiously, what it is that falls so heavily to the ground, and shines red and wet in the moonlight. But the question irresistibly rises, Why all this agony of apprehension? If Jesus Christ was but facing death as it presents itself to all men, His shrinking is far beneath the temper in which many a man has fronted the scaffold and the fire. We can scarcely save His character for admiration, unless we see in the agony of Gethsemane something much more than the shrinking from a violent death, and understand how there the Lord made to meet on Him the iniquity of us all. If the burden that crushed Him thus was but the common load laid on all men’s shoulders, He shows unmanly terror. If it were the black mass of the world’s sins, we can understand the agony, and rejoice to think that our sins were there." Martin C | ||
| Cortney Registered user Username: Cortney Post Number: 222 Registered: 8-2006 |
Wow, Diana! Well put! I'm not as outspoken as you, Adventism did more years of damage to you than myself! And I've been told I have the spirit of satan so...I'm thinking nothing said here can be as bad as what Adventist loved ones have condemned me of! | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 580 Registered: 5-2009 |
Thank you for all the comments so far! Beautiful quote, Martinc. How that comment exposes the difference between Christianity and adventism. I really wanted to document such current teaching, by an important adventist (head of Biblical Research Institute), published last month in an official sda magazine. It's so easy sometime to, when being around sdas(family members, etc) to have the thought that so many of them are so sweet! (they are, a lot of them--but the organization has deceived them so!)I love so many of these people, but that can't lull us into not exposing this trash. Do you guys know what I mean?! | ||
| Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet Post Number: 769 Registered: 8-2008 |
This is positively blasphemous. Jesus was not reconciled to His Father, because Jesus never rebelled against His Father in the first place. Jesus has always been one with the Father. We, on the other hand, are reconciled to the Father through Jesus death and resurrection. | ||
| Patallen Registered user Username: Patallen Post Number: 144 Registered: 7-2010 |
I decided to post the link to the article on my facebook page and asked for comments. Except for some formers, my friends are all SDAs. Even if they read it and don't comment, it will give them something to think about. I'm praying. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8616 Registered: 3-2004 |
The more I read what Rodriquez wrote about Jesus, the more offended I am. I am not around many adventists. I have said before my brothers and sisters are non practicing sdas. All my friends are the people in my church and all you formers, plus the friends I have made on FB. Since God let me know it was okay to call the sda church a cult, it seems to me I have become more outspoken. Diana L | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11776 Registered: 12-2003  |
Rodriguez's quote is modern proof: Adventists believe in a different Jesus. No matter what they say or how they try to define Him, their Jesus is not the eternal, almighty God. He is a weakened, humanoid god who inherited sinful propensities. He is not our Savior. I weary of their obfuscating and double talk that tries to deny they believe in a different Jesus. And yet they boldly declare He could have sinned; the Trinity we know could have ceased to exist; etc etc etc. None of this is biblical; they are deceptive and are perpetuating blasphemous claims. They have a different Jesus. Collen | ||
| Insearchof Registered user Username: Insearchof Post Number: 185 Registered: 8-2005 |
I read this in the Adventist World and just shook my head. It was not that long ago that I believed this exactly the same way. It is sad to be sure that the Adventist focus is so singular in regard to Jesus' humanity that they disregard his divinity. All of course to convince themselves that as Jesus in His humanity was able to overcome then so can we. It seems so clear to me now (that Jesus could not have sinned) and I am not sure when that finally came clear to me. I know it was before I left Adventism because I got into an ernest discussion about this topic with someone before I left for the last time. I just feel sad that Adventists cling to this untruth and so overwelmed at the grace of God that He allowed me to finally see the truth! Pray for them. The veil of Adventism is heavy and dark. ISO | ||
| Gorancroatia Registered user Username: Gorancroatia Post Number: 104 Registered: 6-2010 |
Mistake is in SDAs definition of SIN. If you watch Dales video on Romans, Dale have 5 definitons of sin, and Adventist have just ONE: sin is breaking the law. So, SDA say if God was in sinful body, than he could sin because of the weakness of flesh. Than God will fall in to sinful state of beaning. It is not so simple to demolish, so I understand when Colleen said that she is weary of explaining. One must demolish all Sdas doctrines one by one to unwrapped the insidious deceit. That is whay you cant explain to Sdas that they do not believe that Jesus is God. They do. It is deeper than just that. ..for them even God is obligated to keep the law (when he is incarnated in flesh). For evangelicals that is nonsense because God can not stop to believe in Himself, but for SDas the "faith" is not to believe as give trust to .., but to be in obedience to the all Law. So, if God must we also MUST.. the point is DO and MUST. Salvation by works. (Message edited by GoranCroatia on October 08, 2010) | ||
| 1john2v27nlt Registered user Username: 1john2v27nlt Post Number: 201 Registered: 5-2009 |
You said it well Goran, clearly, briefly. J9 |
