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Bskillet
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Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2010 - 3:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My wife and I finally found a church we really feel comfortable in, here in Connecticut. In the past, when we've visited places, we've distinctly felt a check in our spirits about that place, but here we feel the Spirit is pleased for us to be here. The church is Trinity Baptist of Fairfield.

Anyway, the church has been going through Matthew, and today the Pastor gave a sermon on Matthew 24. He talked about how he had been raised, as a Dispensationalist, to believe that the church would be raptured before the Tribulation, but how he no longer believes this. This is a positive to me because I don't agree with Dispensationalism on this point.

But more fascinatingly, he pointed out how Jesus' statements to His disciples about the end of the age are parallels to the last several texts in Revelation 9, and they are perfect parallels to the seven seals in Revelation 6-7. For instance:

False Christs

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"For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many."
--Matt. 24:5

"I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, 'Come!' I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest."
--Revelation 6:1-2


As an Adventist, I always thought this was the true Jesus going forth as the Gospel spread to the whole earth. However, this doesn't make sense, because the Lamb is in Heaven, and the white horseman is one of four imilar horsemen, and the other three are distinctly NOT Jesus.

Wars and Rumors of Wars

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"You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom."
--Matt. 24:6-7

"When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, 'Come!' Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword."
--Rev. 6:3-4


Famine, Scarcity

quote:

"There will be famines and earthquakes..."
--Matt. 24:7

"When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, 'Come!' I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, 'Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!'

"When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, 'Come!' I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth."
--Rev. 6:5-8


Persecution

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"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other..."
--Matt. 24:9-10

"When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, 'How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?' Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been."
--Rev. 6:9-11


I thought this was really cool and really opened my eyes to different interpretations of Revelation and Daniel than the tripe I had grown up with in Adventism.
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Posted on Monday, December 13, 2010 - 5:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I noticed that you said your church is "going through Matthew." That's one thing that I've never noticed Adventist churches doing - just going straight through a book of the Bible that way. The SDA pastors would find themselves in awkward positions if they preached through a book in context! What the Bible says would undermine Adventist doctrine! :-) Especially books like Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, etc...
Oh, and Romans, and 2nd Corinthians and Hebrews too!!! :-)
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Posted on Monday, December 13, 2010 - 9:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On Saturday evenings I attend a Calvary Chapel. The minister is preaching through the gospel of Luke, a verse at a time. I really like it.
I like the church God told me to attend. The only problem with it is that right now the preacher is talking about relationships. Everything he says I have learned in CR. I can see where God has changed me. So I attend Calvary Chapel on Saturday evening. I have been praying about it. I like the preaching. I will just wait and see if God wants me to change churches. Awesome God will let me know if and when.
Diana L

ps the pastor knows Mark Martin also
River
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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 5:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Life as an Adventist is all about changing Gods mind about you. If it wasn’t, there would be no investigative judgment.

The truth is we cannot change Gods mind about us, we must change our mind about him.

In changing our mind about God, we must become like a strip miner. A strip miner does not mine a strip of ground, rather he takes a section of ground that has proven ore bearing and begins at the surface, taking a layer at a time, one after the other and filtering the soil through. When he gets done with one layer, he takes another deep layer and filters that.

Soon he has to build roads to get the trucks down to where he is taking layers of dirt, rock and soil for mining.

I don’t think it is so important for a person emerging from Adventism to accept a certain theological set of beliefs such as dispensate or not to dispensate. That is like settling into a soil that has already been mined.

In order for the former to really grow, he must seek for the deep things of God, not what he finds laying on the surface out here among these churches.

The emerging Adventist comes out to search for an already mined section to settle on, where the layers have already been filtered for him, his mind is on whether or not the previous miner mined the ground to his liking, instead of mining for himself.

Evangelicals mine a few layers, then decides that’s all there is, and he keeps filtering previous dirt already filtered by the heavy machinery of theology, when there are untapped depths in the Spirit of God, no end to the layers of God.

For a person to dig deep he must have his spiritual eyes open, and use Spiritual tools available. He must begin to get away from the surface and be willing to allow the Spirit of God to take him deeper into the things of God.

I don't meant to say to go off without proving up on everything by the word of God, but in concert with the word of God.

Me, I ain’t settling for used dirt. Go for it Dianna, stay open to God. God made us new creatures, not old wore out prospectors. :-)
River
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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 8:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for a great provocative post River.

Just this morning I prayed that as I read the bible that the HOLY SPIRIT would teach me. NOT FAF forum, or anyone else. I can take what I hear, read, etc to the word of God & ask HIm what is true. I told Him I didn't want to confirm what I want to believe, I didn't want to read 'into' the word but wanted to know Him & His truth.

I saw a great scripture in Jeremiah. & it was exciting to see what God was showing me. I am holding some questions in my mind as I read through the bible again, & He is bringing things to my attention. Some to be considered, some to be questioned, some to be accepted & shared.

J9
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Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 7:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

River, thank you for an insightful post. Very good observations.

Colleen

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