| Author | Message | ||
| Leighpinski Registered user Username: Leighpinski Post Number: 199 Registered: 8-2010  |
Thought you guys might find this article interesting.... http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2011/01/adventists_and_abortion.html | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 2725 Registered: 8-2004  |
Thanks for posting this Leigh! I've just linked to it over at Facebook as a follow up to the article I posted on this earlier. | ||
| Leighpinski Registered user Username: Leighpinski Post Number: 200 Registered: 8-2010 |
I knew I had seen someone else post about this issue but couldn't remember who/where it was. Post away, Helovesme! | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1223 Registered: 12-2007 |
The article is sad... BUT even MORE sad are the posts that follow it  | ||
| Rossbondreturns Registered user Username: Rossbondreturns Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2009  |
My Spirit is raging right now, this is more than unfortunate...it's unholy fire if you will to the Lord. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12202 Registered: 12-2003  |
I agree with all above. Colleen | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 304 Registered: 2-2005 |
As enlightening as the article will be to even many Adventists, there were still some misconceptions evidenced. First of all, Adventism is NOT a "conservative" denomination. Maybe in lifestyle preferences, but certainly not theologically. Secondly, Adventism does not believe in "justification by faith", at least not how mainstream Christians would understand the term. **sigh** The indifference so many SDA's seem to have to the taking of innocent human life is very sad, yet based on what we know about SDA theology and verified by several of the follow-up comments, they don't actually believe that it's truly life that is being killed. They can't beieve it's really a member of the human family and make those kinds of comments. This was a topic that I just never heard addressed very often by other SDA's, perhaps because the church's views on what constitutes life makes this a very prickly issue since it's so hard to reconcile this belief with the obvious and inconvenient truth that an 8 inch trip through the birth canal doesn't magically transform the fetus into a human being. I mean just knowing the stages of fetal development makes claiming a fetus isn't in fact a life counter-intuitive which means several SDA's must be wrestling with this issue. | ||
| Free2dance Registered user Username: Free2dance Post Number: 218 Registered: 2-2010 |
The Washington Post needs some education. SDA'ism does not believe in righteousness by faith. It doesn't believe in the word of God. And the scriptures ARE NOT silent on this issue. It is murder, it is the ending of the progression of life at the hands of a human. I feel sick...I have never related more with David's plea for God's justice and wrath on all manner of evil. Not only does SDA'ism kill spiritual life, it has murdered countless babies as well. | ||
| Leigh Registered user Username: Leigh Post Number: 225 Registered: 2-2003 |
Hi Leigh, Thanks for posting the article. I had heard rumors for years. I'm glad it's out in the open. I used to work for Holy Cross in the mother/baby unit while I was still SDA. I enjoyed working for them especially because they were pro-life. From what I've read about this story, Holy Cross was more financially fit and met more criteria required by the county than Adventist Health. It seems as if Adventist Health aligned themselves with pro-abortion forces (sold their soul?) when they couldn't get the vote and now their dirty little secret is out. I need to calm down, now. Leigh (from Maryland) | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 766 Registered: 1-2007 |
Years ago I asked what the churches stance was on abortion and the only answer that I got was that it is up to the individual and their walk with God. I just walked away shaking my head. Gail | ||
| Free2dance Registered user Username: Free2dance Post Number: 219 Registered: 2-2010 |
Dirty little secret is right! From what I understand, one of the most prospering abortion chains in the area is owned by an Adventist. At least, it used to be. | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 306 Registered: 2-2005 |
I wonder if whether or not I killed my pre-schooler would be up to me and my walk with God. Again, they evidently don't see a fetus as being valuable human life. Hmmmm. | ||
| Rossbondreturns Registered user Username: Rossbondreturns Post Number: 81 Registered: 10-2009 |
All of this because of not understanding the fact of: God putting a little bit of His Spirit in us at conception. Adam's Sin aligned us to Satan from Birth. Us needing to reborn from Heaven for Salvation. The most important in this conversation being the first point. | ||
| Cloudwatcher Registered user Username: Cloudwatcher Post Number: 311 Registered: 5-2009  |
I don't think that Adventists think that deeply about abortion. What they do hold dear and close to their hearts is the Great Controversy worldview and the "fact" that Sunday Laws are on the horizon. Therefore, they will do ANYTHING to keep the government out of "moral issues" and "personal choices." It's about the Sabbath, guys. Surprise! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12215 Registered: 12-2003 |
I think that, in general, you're right, Delina. I know, though, that as an Adventist 20-something, I really did think through whether or not abortion was defensible. I remember deciding that, if it was done early, it was OK--before a child could be viable in the world. Well, perhaps even only during the first trimester... I had a friend in college who became pregnant on her honeymoon and cut short her plans for professional school...I remember thinking if that had been me, I'd have aborted. I could not for the life of me figure out why terminating an early pregnancy was really any different from birth control...sigh. It was only after I understood that we have immaterial spirits that abortion began to be heinous in my eyes...I really could rationalize that no embryo could survive as life and therefore could be aborted if necessary. After all, the levitical penalty for someone accidentally killing an unborn baby was a fine, not stoning... But yes, it really IS about the Sabbath. That is absolutely true. The abortion issue is more under the top layer and not out front. I think the abortion position is more of an unexamined consequence of the soul-sleep deception than it is a primary issue. Colleen | ||
| Cortney Registered user Username: Cortney Post Number: 263 Registered: 8-2006 |
Ok, so I posted this on my fb profile  | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 1593 Registered: 3-2009 |
Would the spirits of the aborted fetuses go to heaven? If the mother is saved, would they reunite there? Hec | ||
| Jdpascal Registered user Username: Jdpascal Post Number: 267 Registered: 10-2003 |
In the article linked above there was a reference to a face book page called "Advenist's for life". One of the GC watch dogs saw it and siked the lawyers on facebook and shut it down on the grounds that 'Adventist' was a registered trademark. The followup article is here.... http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2011/01/adventists_pressure_facebook_to_dump_pro-life_group.html | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 2730 Registered: 8-2004 |
Wow. Just wow. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8947 Registered: 3-2004  |
I saw the follow up article this morning. All I could do was sit here at my computer and say, "thank you God for taking me out of that cult". Diana L | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12219 Registered: 12-2003 |
So interesting. Thanks, Jdpascal... Colleen | ||
| Cloudwatcher Registered user Username: Cloudwatcher Post Number: 312 Registered: 5-2009 |
why don't they go around shutting down the 10384 other FB groups that use the word Adventist in the name? All the pro-Adventist FB pages? Those GC lawyers need to get a life. | ||
| Mkfound Registered user Username: Mkfound Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2011 |
I'm disgusted. I feel for the guy who set up this page. He tries to make a pro-life group--a good thing right. According to the GC--no bam! Let's shut you down. I am sure that the reason they did this is because the church cannot be viewed as pro-life, according to how they act in their hospitals, so this would be an 'attack' on the church. Ugh. | ||
| Rossbondreturns Registered user Username: Rossbondreturns Post Number: 82 Registered: 10-2009 |
That's just...you know...I don't even know what to say. A writer with no words. Go Figure. |
