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| Cloudwatcher Registered user Username: Cloudwatcher Post Number: 358 Registered: 5-2009  |
Adventist musicians that sell their CDs lace their music with SDA theology. I had to throw away some of my CDs too, it wasn't just the books. And even though I like Take 6, I can only stomach the Christmas songs now. What has been your experience with music? Are you still listening to the Heritage Singers? | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 9010 Registered: 3-2004  |
Yes, I did. I did not have much of it, but it is gone now, forever. I knew Witney Phipps when he was 16 years of age in Montreal, Quebec. I love his voice, but I will not buy any more of his music. | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1871 Registered: 6-2006  |
That's funny ~ I've always liked Take 6, but only a few of their songs. "Biggest Part of Me" was my favorite (which was a remake of the Ambrosia song). They also did a fun song called "Ridin' the Rails" with K.D. Lang. Because some of them wore earrings and sang secular music I had the impression (or perhaps I was just hoping) they were inching away from SDAism. Maybe not?  Leigh Anne | ||
| Michaelmiller Registered user Username: Michaelmiller Post Number: 245 Registered: 7-2010  |
I haven't thrown anything out yet, but I haven't listened to it either. The vast majority of my music wasn't SDA anyway... it is amazing how when I listen to Christian today they now have obvious deep meanings but when I listened to the same songs as a SDA they all meant something completely different (selective reinterpretation). Michael | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 9012 Registered: 3-2004 |
In this talking about music, I got to thinking that when I was driving home from the SDA church back in 2003 I would turn on the radio and listen to and sing with Christian music. When the preaching started I turned the radio off. But I loved the music. Diana L | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1267 Registered: 12-2007 |
Of course we turned the radio off when the preaching started... we didn't want to be "mislead" by those "Sunday" preachers ! How sad.  Of course NOW I realize that they were NOT "Sunday preachers" as in preaching that we should go to church on Sunday, they were instead preaching CHRIST. While SDA's do indeed preach a DAY. The observance of the DAY is of more importance than the preaching of Christ. | ||
| 1john2v27nlt Registered user Username: 1john2v27nlt Post Number: 276 Registered: 5-2009 |
Last spring when I destroyed all my books, I also went through our CDs as well & trashed them. This is because of the song It Is Well With My Soul, which the SDA hymnal leaves out the 2nd stanza which is salvation security by the blood of Jesus. That's when I realized I could not keep or trust the music. ~J9 | ||
| Cloudwatcher Registered user Username: Cloudwatcher Post Number: 359 Registered: 5-2009 |
Leigh Ann - I love that song with KDLang too. Haven't heard it in a long time. I don't know the Take 6 guys personally, but do know that one of the members is very involved in an SDA church. Like I said, I'll listen if the song is either not religious or not original. If I listen too closely to the words of Christian songs these days, I am a danger to other drivers on the road. Hard to see when you're crying. The fact that I know the words and they never meant much to me before is proof that I never really *heard* them. | ||
| Michaelmiller Registered user Username: Michaelmiller Post Number: 246 Registered: 7-2010 |
Music and I have a history... I grew up as a "Christmas and Easter Catholic" at home (that is, for most of my growing up years we attended Catholic mass on Christmas & Easter only... no church at any other time). At the same time, I was educated in a non-denominational Christian school from Kindergarten through 9th grade. Most of my early background with Christianity was from that non-denom school, not from the Catholic church. When I was around 12 my parents decided that it was time for me to "catch up" on Catholicism and sent me to Wednesday evening CCD classes (what they were calling catechism at the time) so I could go through the Catholic first communion and later be confirmed. I made it through first communion by doing as I was told, but I never was confirmed. What they were teaching was not lining up with what I had learned through the non-denominational school and I wasn't convinced that I believed it. I asked my parents if I could leave CCD and they let me. Due to other life circumstances happening at the time I also had the be removed from the non-denom private school and went into public high school. My parent's church attendance stopped entirely as well. Prior to the close of all of the above I had discovered Christian rock music while in the non-denom private school. After leaving Catholicism and the private school the only connection I had with Christianity was through music, which I continued to listen to throughout high school and college. I never motivated myself to find a church to attend, but I did buy a Bible, read it, and prayed regularly. Then a SDA coworker invited me to her church. To be honest, I found her cute and wound up missing all of the heresies being preached while they reeled me in with all of the Daniel/Revelation prophecy stuff. the coworker ended up not wanting to have anything to do with me and I wound up in a cult... I basically lost on both counts! Not all is lost though... I did later meet my wonderful wife I don't know exactly where the words to the songs I listened to started being re-interpreted into SDA theology and/or became compartmentalized such that it could be listened to without convicting me. I know it happened somewhere along the line though. Looking back, my preferences did tend to migrate to songs ABOUT God instead of songs TO God. In order to not offend anyone I found myself listening to stuff less "celebration church like" too (although I was quick to share a testimony and defend any Christian music if someone spoke out against it or suggested that "God had led me out of that stuff"... I didn't tolerate that attitude). Interestingly, during the SDA church planting project which led to me studying my way out, the core group was open to more modern praise & worship music. My wife and I, being the only younger people in the church plant, pretty much had full control of the music selection. I became reconnected to my music roots and, quite ironically, while purchasing 7 CDs to use at church we were Spirit led into wonderful songs about grace! I played those songs in the SDA church regularly... as far as I know, nobody ever noticed the message they contained. So, anyway... it is a bit off the original topic, but Christian music has played a significant role in my life throughout the years. Michael (Message edited by MichaelMiller on February 25, 2011) (Message edited by MichaelMiller on February 25, 2011) | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1712 Registered: 7-2007 |
When I was an Adventist, I loved listening to grace filled Christian music, but I listened with a certain "if only it were that simple" wistfulness. I of course interpreted it through Adventist lenses. The Adventist life was sure a balancing act, trying to balance Ellen White with the grace in the Bible - wishing I could be assured of my salvation, but being prevented from it! | ||
| Karethamiller Registered user Username: Karethamiller Post Number: 167 Registered: 8-2010  |
Perhaps a little off topic: I was pondering just today that even a year or so before we left, we were being led towards grace by the music that Michael mentioned above (that we bought to play at the SDA church plant we were part of). In addition, about 2-3 months before we left, I decided I wanted us to attend a Christian music concert. (I didn't know yet the timing of when we would be leaving, though I suspected it was coming soon.) I ended up purchasing tickets for a Chris Tomlin concert that was in a city 2 hours away from where we live. The date turned out to be just a month after we officially left (while we were in a "hiatus" while deciding where to start trying to find a new church.) The Chris Tomlin concert turned out to be a powerful experience of celebrating God's love and grace...just what we needed right then. | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 710 Registered: 5-2002 |
I have to say that the SVA choir, pipe organ, and bell choir are wonderful "remnant memories" for me. | ||
| Joyfulheart Registered user Username: Joyfulheart Post Number: 812 Registered: 10-2006 |
Karetha, Chris Tomlin's music really gets me, too - especially "Jesus, Messiah" and "How Can I Keep From Singing?" My SDA church ( a new company at that time) sang choruses kind of like my previous church had. A few weeks after I was there, the He Is Our Song books disappeared. One of the elders had informed the conference that we were into "celebrationism." Anyway, it the SDA hymnal alone after that. I liked the Hymns - especially Jesus is coming again and We Have This Hope. I haven't heard those hymns before or since I left. One hymn though bothered me so much. It was sung slowly and drearily kind of like a funeral dirge. It was all about the judgment is coming. The Bible worker liked that song - and it was sung alot. | ||
| Stevew Registered user Username: Stevew Post Number: 18 Registered: 2-2010 |
Oooh, now I'm a bit sad. I am a big Take 6 fan. I hope I don't have to throw away my CD's. Can anyone tell me if any of their songs have SDA undertones? I'm also really enjoying listening to Rescue at the moment. Another USA based acappella group... Steve | ||
| Berit Registered user Username: Berit Post Number: 78 Registered: 7-2007 |
I did not throw out any of the music yet. I just stoppet listening to it;-) | ||
| Mkfound Registered user Username: Mkfound Post Number: 34 Registered: 1-2011 |
I can't say I've ever really owned SDA musical CD's. But I still do have the SDA hymnal, etc. from which I still play the music from. However, some of the songs, including some praise & worship songs that are composed and sung by other Christians just remind me too much of SDAism. I can't explain it well, except that when I play or sing those sings, I get taken back to the same dead old state I experienced in my old church. (I used to be the pianist in my church, so I did more than just sing the songs, but practiced them as well, so it probably got stuck in my brain!) It is a pity because I probably would enjoy some of the songs... Offenders are 'Shine Jesus Shine' <--this was the opening song for every single AY for probably 2-3 years or so. And the song 'Here we are' was opening song for Divine Service every week for at least a year. I remember we had a prayer song, maybe you sang it? 'Now Dear Lord as we Pray', it was sung while the congregation would kneel for pastoral prayer. I do not joke when I say that this song was the every week prayer song for at least 15 years consectivetly in my childhood church. When a new pastor came in, they fought him tooth and nail when he wanted to change the song. He did change the song, and once he left, 'Now Dear Lord as we pray' became the prayer song for the next 5 or so years, at least until I left. No wonder the Psalm says, 'Sing to the Lord a new song'!!! | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 750 Registered: 5-2009 |
MK, you describe exactly ("being taken back to the same dead old state") my emotional reaction to many of the hymns I learned as an adventist. I especially can't stand to hear "Are You Ready for Jesus to Come?"...it scared me so badly then because I knew I hadn't overcome my sins, so no, I WASN'T ready and I WOULD be lost. (I was trying so hard, but I had no idea of the new birth.) I also have this reaction when I hear the KJV read...it takes me right back. Thank goodness that our current church has re-educated me on some of these old hymns so that I can stand to sing them again. (I still can't stomach "Trust & Obey"...) It sounds like a promotion of the law. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 9034 Registered: 3-2004 |
After reading how you women have reacted to SDA songs, I can truly say that God did use my 12 step program to clear the cobwebs of adventism from my brain (I have said it before). I sing them with joy now. Of course some of the words are different b/c sdas changed them and those are the ones I remember. God is showing me what else He had me forget. THANK YOU AWESOME GOD!!! Diana L | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1278 Registered: 12-2007 |
" I remember we had a prayer song, maybe you sang it? 'Now Dear Lord as we Pray', it was sung while the congregation would kneel for pastoral prayer. I do not joke when I say that this song was the every week prayer song for at least 15 years consectivetly in my childhood church." Mine too.... did we go to the same church ? LOL BUT I have to admit... even though it was sung every week...it was only one verse and I loved that song and I still do (dont hit me) LOL "Now, Dear Lord, as we pray, take our hearts and minds far away From the press of the world all around To Your throne where grace does abound. May our lives be transform'd by Your love, May our souls be refreshed from above. At this moment, let people everywhere Join us now as we come to You in prayer." I guess they / we didnt realize while singing it that it talks of Gods "grace" and being transformed by His love and not by keeping the Ten. Francie | ||
| Cloudwatcher Registered user Username: Cloudwatcher Post Number: 373 Registered: 5-2009 |
Stevew, Here's a Take 6 song that is 100% SDA. It's Gonna Rain Way back in the bible days Noah told the people that it's gonna rain When he told them they paid him no mind And when the rains came they were left behind Chorus: It' gonna rain, it's gonna rain You better get ready and bear this in mind God showed Noah showed him the rainbow sign Said it won't be water but fire (fire next time) After the rain began to pour They knocked on the windows you know That they knocked on the doors The people didn't know exactly what to do You don't want this to happen to you Chorus Noah said I'm sorry my friend But God's got the key and you can't get in (so sorry) If something don't happen to the very hearts of men Don't you know that the same, same Thing is gonna happen again Chorus |
