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Asurprise
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 12:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does anyone have the quote where Ellen White said that if a person (actually an SDA) is not a vegetarian, they'll be "laid to rest" because they won't make it through the "time of trouble"??

So according to Ellen White; Jesus, Who went through a time of trouble far greater than anyone will ever have to, shouldn't have been able to do so; since He had just eaten some of the Passover lamb at the last supper!

Any thoughts??
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 1:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would love to see that quote!!!
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 1:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have never been able to find such a quote from EGW. I think it's another one of those "mythical" quotes.

What EGW did say was that you wouldn't be translated (taken to heaven) at the second coming if you ate meat.


quote:

(1905) M.H. 317
650. Is it not time that all should aim to dispense with flesh foods? How can those who are seeking to become pure, refined, and holy, that they may have the companionship of heavenly angels, continue to use as food anything that has so harmful an effect on soul and body? How can they take the life of God's creatures that they may consume the flesh as a luxury? Let them, rather, return to the wholesome and delicious food given to man in the beginning, and themselves practice, and teach their children to practice, mercy toward the dumb creatures that God has made and has placed under our dominion. (CD 380.3)


Preparing for Translation

(1890) C.T.B.H. 119
651. Among those who are waiting for the coming of the Lord, meat eating will eventually be done away; flesh will cease to form a part of their diet. We should ever keep this end in view, and endeavor to work steadily toward it. I cannot think that in the practice of flesh eating we are in harmony with the light which God has been pleased to give us. All who are connected with our health institutions especially should be educating themselves to subsist on fruits, grains, and vegetables. If we move from principle in these things, if we as Christian reformers educate our own taste, and bring our diet to God's plan, then we may exert an influence upon others in this matter, which will be pleasing to God. (CD 380.4)





quote:

[...] Meat should not be placed before our children. Its influence is to excite and strengthen the lower passions, and has a tendency to deaden the moral powers. Grains and fruits prepared free from grease, and in as natural a condition as possible, should be the food for the tables of all who claim to be preparing for translation to heaven. The less feverish the diet, the more easily can the passions be controlled. Gratification of taste should not be consulted irrespective of physical, intellectual, or moral health. (CD 63.3)





quote:

Those who have received instruction regarding the evils of the use of flesh foods, tea, and coffee, and rich and unhealthful food preparations, and who are determined to make a covenant with God by sacrifice, will not continue to indulge their appetite for food that they know to be unhealthful. God demands that the appetite be cleansed, and that self-denial be practiced in regard to those things which are not good. This is a work that will have to be done before His people can stand before Him a perfected people. (CD 381.2)





quote:

Greater reforms should be seen among the people who claim to be looking for the soon appearing of Christ. Health reform is to do among our people a work which it has not yet done. There are those who ought to be awake to the danger of meat eating, who are still eating the flesh of animals, thus endangering the physical, mental, and spiritual health. Many who are now only half converted on the question of meat eating will go from God's people to walk no more with them. (CD 382.1)




In other words, it had nothing to do with "health" or "strength" (EGW even admitted that meat gives a person strength), but rather it had to do with meat-eating being a sin.

My guess would be that some SDAs who did not like such strict rules "re-invented" EGW's statement (or it gradually was changed) to instead say that God would "lay to rest" those who ate meat before the time of trouble, and that they thus would still be saved, even though they ate meat. But EGW did not teach that--she said that anyone who ate meat was sinning and would go to Hell.

Here are a couple of quotes I found where EGW does say that some people would be "laid to rest" before the time of trouble (but she doesn't mention meat-eaters):


quote:

It is not always safe to ask for unconditional healing. . . . He knows whether or not those for whom petitions are offered would be able to endure the trial and test that would come upon them if they lived. He knows the end from the beginning. Many will be laid away to sleep before the fiery ordeal of the time of trouble shall come upon our world.--CH 375 (1897). (LDE 255.2)

The Lord has often instructed me that many little ones are to be laid away before the time of trouble. We shall see our children again. We shall meet them and know them in the heavenly courts.--2SM 259 (1899). (LDE 255.3)




(So if you believe in EGW, you have to live in constant fear that God is going to kill your children at any moment, or, if you're a child, that God is going to kill you at any moment! Nice.)

Also, EGW said in her earliest writings that God killed a couple of Adventist men in order for their souls not to be lost later on in their lives! So perhaps some of these concepts became "amalgamated." Ha!

Jeremy
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 4:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Great details Jeremy. And typical of SDAism, reinterpreting "inspired" writings when the teachings are too uncomfortable.

And this is one of those teachings that I picked up as an adult convert...

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