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Helovesme2
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 3:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On a discussion group I frequent, Marc Drayer had some interesting things to say about Young Earth Creationism and Adventism that I'm posting here with his permission:

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Few realize that the militant YEC 24 hour 7 day position originated wiht a SDA author George Macready Price, who wrote his books and promoted this ideology not to prove the Bible, but the visions of Ellen G. White.

Then in 1960, Henry Morris wrote his book "The Genesis Flood," which is basically a rehashing, almost a plaigarism of Price's book, while covering up its origins. And that's when it all started. Ham is a product of this mindset.

One good book which gives the history of this movement is "The Creationists: The evolution of scientific creationism," by Ronald L. Numbers. A book well worth reading.


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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 3:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And a bit more from Mr Drayer:

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Price was writing long before the Scopes trial, but his major book came out 2 years before the trial. There were few who came out with books, so many latched on to Price, who was at least cogent, and ignored his SDA roots. Price and his SDA cohorts didn't get along well with the rest of the fundamentalist/creationist crowd. I'd refer you to Numbers' book that I recommended in my previous post for documentation. Here's a quote which shows their attempt to coverup the connection with Price and Immanuel Velikovsky:

[By early 1959 Morris had completed a draft of his chapters and sent them to Whitcomb for criticism. Whitcomb, still smarting from having his knuckles rapped by Morris for invoking Price and Velikovsky so much, caught Morris engaging in the same practice. "Even the references to Velikovsky should be thought through carefully, because his name, like that of G.M. Price, waves a red flag immediately before some people's eyes." advised the highly sensitized Whitcomb, who worried that his own material still contained too many allusions to Price and the Adventist tradition.

I am becoming more and more persuaded that my chapter o 'Flood geology and the Twentieth Century' will hinder rather thanb help our book, at least in the present form. Here is what I mean. For many people, our position would be somewha discredited by the fact that "Price and Seventh-Day Adventism" (the title of one of the sections in that chapter) play such a prominent role in its support. My suggestion is to supply for the book a fairly complete annotated bibliography of twentieth-century works andvocating Flood Geology, without so much as a mention of the denominational affiliation of the various authors. After all, what real difference does the denominational aspect make?


Morris, who fully shared Whitcomb's concerns, suggested going even further and discarding the Pricean tag. "The very term 'Flood Geology' seems to have unpleasant connotations to many people," he wrote, "and it might be better to use such terms as 'creationist geology,' 'Biblical geology,' and the like instead--both in order to try to avoid the SDA label and also to point up the fact that we don't try to account for all the geologic data by the Flood." But the old description proved too useful to abandon completely.] Numbers, p. 198

As for the Scopes trial, Price was invited by Bryan as an 'expert witness', but declined.


Paulcross
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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2011 - 9:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks!

This looks like something I will have to follow up on.

Hoping the Numbers book is in current publication (?).

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Posted on Friday, March 25, 2011 - 9:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Helovesme2

Found it, thanks!

Paul Cross

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