| Author | Message | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1938 Registered: 6-2006  |
Thought this was interesting. This is from Hank Hanegraaff's web site, as well as his Bible Answer Man facebook page. http://www.equip.org/bible_answers/is-seventh-day-adventism-orthodox- Is Seventh Day Adventism orthodox? Over the years I have encountered many Seventh Day Adventists who have told me that to worship on Sunday is to take the mark of the Beast. Far from being monolithic, however, Seventh Day Adventism is multifaceted. First, there are Adventists who are thoroughly orthodox. As such, they embrace the essentials of the historic Christian faith. While we may vigorously debate secondary issues, we are unified around the essentials for which the martyrs shed their blood. Furthermore, there are Adventists who are thoroughly liberal. They not only compromise and confuse but consistently contradict essentials of the faith such as the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection, and the infallibility of Scripture. Finally, there are traditionalists who major on aberrant Adventist doctrines including soul sleep, Sabbatarianism, and the seer status of Ellen G. White. In sharp distinction to soul sleep the Bible provides ample evidence that the soul continues to exist apart from the body (Philippians 1:23–24). Likewise, God himself provided early Christians with a new pattern of worship through Christ’s resurrection on the first day of the week as well as the Spirit’s descent on Pentecost Sunday. Additionally, while Ellen White (1827–1915) claimed divine authority for her prophecies, she was obviously wrong when she prophesied that she would be alive at the second coming of Christ. For further study, see Hank Hanegraaff,“Why do Christians worship on Sunday rather than on the Sabbath day?” and “Is there evidence for life after death?” The Bible Answer Book Volume 1 (Nashville: J Countryman, 2004), 70–72, 165–169. This makes me wonder. Are Adventists, in general, concerned about being orthodox? What does the SDA organization teach about orthodoxy? Leigh Anne | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 1056 Registered: 7-2004  |
SDAism goes out of its way to appear orthodox. That is the only explanation I have for using the word Trinity in their Fundamental Beliefs when their own scholars openly discuss how their belief in this doctrine is not the belief of mainstream Christianity. The only SDAs who are truly orthodox are those who don't understand what their church actualy teaches enough for them to follow it. And no offense to my "lifer" friends, but anyone who was raised on SDA Bible Stories, Uncle Arthur, and church school classes is not capable of being orthodox, they may know the words to sound orthodox, but they are not. Wife says I need to clarify. Anyone who is a former is no longer counted among the "lifers'. Their SDA life ended and a new one began (pun intended). (Message edited by ric_b on June 01, 2011) | ||
| Wiredog Registered user Username: Wiredog Post Number: 174 Registered: 8-2010  |
I'd say Colleen and Todd did a great job elaborating on the fact that SDA's use the Christian Vocabulary but NOT the Christian Dictionary. Dittos on Ric_b's comment. Orthodox SDA yes; Orthodox CHRISTIANs no. Sadly many SDAs ARE ignorant of what they affirm by their membership in sdAdventism The reason is when you boil Adventism down to its core essence you do not get by Grace alone, through Faith alone, in Christ alone. It is always (FAITH + MY WORKS) which denies what Christ claimed about Himself. You do that and you are not only un-Orthodox you are NOT Christian. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12647 Registered: 12-2003  |
Exactly, Rick and Wiredog. You are right. Colleen | ||
| Haldog Registered user Username: Haldog Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2011 |
Walter Martin had to think long and hard as to what category to place SDA's in his book, The Kingdom of the Cults When he finally placed it with other Christian religions, the SDA's rejoiced. I heard, though, that he had changed his mind before he died and considered SDA's a cult because of Ellen and The sanctuary doctrine. | ||
| Treasurehntr Registered user Username: Treasurehntr Post Number: 98 Registered: 7-2007 |
I, for one, would LOVE to know exactly what transpired when Dr. Martin began his correspondence with SDA leadership. My gut tells me he got sideswiped by the two or three best theologians. Those who could doubletalk their way out of a theological corner. | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 938 Registered: 7-2008  |
Follow the money trail. Maybe Martin was bought off. | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1445 Registered: 12-2007 |
I don't believe Walter Martin was a man who could be "bought". I think he was just plain lied to. | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 940 Registered: 7-2008 |
I was just joking...lol lol. | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1446 Registered: 12-2007 |
 Shoulda known....LOL | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12651 Registered: 12-2003 |
If you haven't read it, the article in last year's Proclamation on Walter Martin and the Adventists is definitely worth your time: http://www.lifeassuranceministries.org/proclamation/2010/3/waltermartin.html Colleen (Message edited by Colleentinker on June 02, 2011) | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 2469 Registered: 5-2007  |
Wow, so many new members. Welcome one and all. Fearless Phil | ||
| Goldenbear Registered user Username: Goldenbear Post Number: 170 Registered: 12-2004 |
We had opportunity to purchase a copy of John Ankerberg's interviews with Walter Martin and Bill Johnson (former Review Editor - he wasn't at the time, though he did represent the SDA organization). It was a really entertaining and informative discussion. I almost felt sorry for Johnson. The title is Seventh-day Adventism Who is Telling the Truth. Guests: Dr. William Johnsson, Dr. Walter Martin Originally aired in 1980's Description: Dr. William Johnsson and Dr. Walter Martin examine why so many evangelical men and women have been asked to leave Adventism and whether or not the writings of Ellen G. White should be considered to be of equal authority as the Scriptures. | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1447 Registered: 12-2007 |
That interview is available for listening/downloading on Mark Martins site (no relation to Walter Martin that I am aware of). Does anyone know if the interview on Marks site is the complete interview ? I have aways thought it was but not sure. Francie | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12660 Registered: 12-2003 |
I believe so. It's in five parts...and I believe Mark has all of them on his site. Colleen (Message edited by Colleentinker on June 04, 2011) |
