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| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12712 Registered: 12-2003  |
I'm working on a Proclamation article on the Great Controversy worldview. I've been quite immersed in it--the main reason I've been scarce here this week. I just wanted to share a few pretty horrific statements I've discovered. Notice that this EGW quote equates Christ's character with the law of God and also makes Him our Example and declares that we can be sinless:
This quote gives the law the power to regenerate humans...but regeneration is the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Finally, notice that here EGW says the law (not Jesus) is what stands between us and sin:
I could go on, but I'm glazing over... Colleen | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7279 Registered: 9-2006  |
Colleen, somebody sent me a copy of 'The great Controversy'. It was one of my Adventist acquaintances, I don't remember who, but as soon as I had the book in my hand, I felt like I had just took a snake out of the envelope. I turned around and tossed the thing into the garbage can and I actually felt like shivering, or I felt that something unclean had entered into my room. How in the world do you read this stuff? Ain't no wonder you're glazing over. Not reading it, I can't tell whether the feeling that came over me was real or not, but from what you just said, Yep, it was real. My advice is take four aspirin and call your doctor in the morning. Tell him I said give you a shot of Morphine.  River | ||
| Free2dance Registered user Username: Free2dance Post Number: 352 Registered: 2-2010 |
Colleen, what God has called you to is no easy task!!! I am praying for you as you submit to this calling and endure reading this nasty heresy. This could be one of the most profound articles for many people- it could save lives! | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 9264 Registered: 3-2004  |
Colleen, I ditto what Free2dance said. What God has called you to do is not easy and as she said, it could save lives. Father God be with Colleen as she reads this heresy. Strengthen her and give her Your words to write. In in the Awesome Jesus name I ask this. Amen Diana L | ||
| Mkfound Registered user Username: Mkfound Post Number: 101 Registered: 1-2011 |
Colleen, you're right those quotes really sum up the worldview that we adopt when becoming Adventists, whether we've read those quotes or not. Last night I had an conversation with an adventist. We were discussing 'putting on Christ'. This person said that the way to put on Christ, is to obey the law, because the law is God's character personified, essentially. | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1475 Registered: 12-2007 |
So' "the law is God's character personified"??? If that were true then what was God's "character" in the eons of time BEFORE the "law" was given ? God's character is LOVE not a list of rules engraved on stone. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1965 Registered: 7-2007 |
Adventists don't realize that Jesus is the "end of the law." They misunderstand or explain away these verses: Romans 10:3-4 says: "For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." | ||
| Alison1 Registered user Username: Alison1 Post Number: 92 Registered: 10-2010 |
Colleen, I back you up 100% on your project. I'll be praying too. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12717 Registered: 12-2003 |
Thank you, everyone. I just can't articulate how difficult this has been. it's hasn't just been the writing; I've felt like I was in one of those bad dreams where I had to run but I couldn't move. I just have had such a hard time getting it done. I've finished writing and am doing final edits. I am more than grateful for everyone's prayers and ask that you keep praying...we don't have it printed yet!! Mkfound, yes...Adventists absolutely equate the law with God. I have not fully realized how complete that identity was before working on this article. Adventists have a false god...they make the Law eternal, saying it existed before God spoke it at Sinai...and they say that since it's the transcript of God's character, it was ALWAYS there, and we have to obey it because It's eternal because it's the essence of God. Essentially Adventism makes the LAW a higher "power" or object of worship than God. In order to demonstrate that we love God, we have to obey the law because that's the essence of God. That belief is completely inside out. God is holy. He gave the law for a time to a certain people for a specific purpose. It was a revelation of Him--not the 'transcript' of Him. Revelations are not all-encompassing. "Transcripts" are exact replicas. We were lied to, and we had a false god. It's no wonder, Mkfound, that your Adventist friend said what he/she did. Adventists worship the Law...and think they're worshiping God. The great controversy limits and diminishes God. Law is more important to them than God, and they would say that even God honors His law. They actually see God as being subject to His law instead of seeing His law as emanating from Him and being a gracious window into reality instead of a definition of Himself. Colleen | ||
| Grace1958_f Registered user Username: Grace1958_f Post Number: 76 Registered: 3-2011 |
Continuing to pray for God's intervention and provision for you and all the details pertaining to the completion and publication of the *Proclamation article on the Great Controversy worldview.* | ||
| Doc Registered user Username: Doc Post Number: 674 Registered: 2-2003  |
Colleen, I am sure this project is highly significant, and I look forward to reading the conclusions. Perhaps this will really get to the root of Adventist error. Some of this stuff needs to be translated into Hungarian! Give me a summary, and I will be up for it! AB PS - incidentally, God is really doing an amazing work among the Gypsies here in Hungary right now, and in Slovakia, by the way. It is exciting to see. And also by the way, I have been invited to teach on cults and apologetics in a Christian camp at the end of July, and I will certain include SDA, among others. God is working, and please pray (as well) - thanks | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 9268 Registered: 3-2004 |
Will remember you in my prayers. Others need to know what adventism really believes. It has slipped under the radar for to long. Awesome God is with you Doc. He will give you the words to say. Diana L | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7298 Registered: 9-2006 |
Hey Doc, that s great! | ||
| Rossbondreturns Registered user Username: Rossbondreturns Post Number: 192 Registered: 10-2009  |
Be praying for you Doc. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12720 Registered: 12-2003 |
Adrian, that is wonderful news! By all means, translate whatever you like. I'd be thrilled if you translated the GC article when it's finalized! Colleen | ||
| Doc Registered user Username: Doc Post Number: 675 Registered: 2-2003 |
Thanks Colleen, I am looking forward to this GC material, as it is an area of Adventism I do not really know much about, but it seems very significant. By the way, I dare say this has been said before, but if we are looking for a perfect transcript of God's character, then we would have to look at Jesus of Nazareth, would we not? "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being..." (Hebrews 1:3). A perfect representation of God, who is a living person, could not be anything less than a living person himself, surely? |
