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| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7285 Registered: 9-2006  |
Many times it we are listed as having mind body and soul. Is it the breath? The part of us that breaths and allows us to live? "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Do spirit and soul mean the same thing? What does Matthew 10:28 mean? And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. How does Adventism deny the reality of this verse of scripture? River | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 882 Registered: 5-2009 |
River, this quote from an SDA magazine might be interesting to you: "In all of history Christ is the only person who has ever experienced the second death. Heb. 2:9 tells us that 'He, by the grace of God,...taste(d) death for everyone.' (NKJV) Earth's overflowing cemeteries plainly testify that the corporate death here referred to must be the second death, the eternal loss of both 'soul and body' (Matt. 10:28). Because the Bible rejects the possibility of an ethereal, disembodied soul, this 'soul death' can occur only in the context of a concurrent physical death, all of which Christ experienced. What caused this total dissolution of Christ's body and soul? Did life cease to exist merely because the Father passively withdrew His sustenance and protection, abandoning Christ to our sin, which somehow consumed Him, as it were, from the inside out? Or did a supernatural force from outside of Christ penetrate to His sin-drenched core like a heat-seeking missile to the heart, searing into oblivion His very identity?" Maybe you can unpack this? | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 965 Registered: 7-2008  |
As an Adventist I was taught the following... Body + breath = a living soul. If such is true(and I dont know now if it is true)...would the body minus breath be a dead soul? Maybe "soul" is another word for "person"??? Animal...the saga continues | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7287 Registered: 9-2006 |
Well look at the verse Animal, what does the verse tell you? Nowisee, I unpacked it and it sounds like what a fifth grader might come up with. Ha! | ||
| Rossbondreturns Registered user Username: Rossbondreturns Post Number: 188 Registered: 10-2009  |
Biblical belief states the following: Body Plus Spirit equals a Living Soul. I've heard it stated this way, the Soul is the intellect, will, and thoughts that are enabled when a Body and Spirit live together. In other words the Soul is the totality of Body and Spirit combined. Eventually we will have a resurrection body to go with our eternal reborn spirit...our soul will also never be without end. Or something like that. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7290 Registered: 9-2006 |
If soul is the totality of the body and spirit combined, then how can man kill the body but not the soul? | ||
| Rossbondreturns Registered user Username: Rossbondreturns Post Number: 189 Registered: 10-2009 |
That's why I said something like that because I couldn't remember exactly. Some people use Spirit and Soul interchangeably but I'm almost certain there's a difference between them. I'll look into it more. | ||
| Rossbondreturns Registered user Username: Rossbondreturns Post Number: 190 Registered: 10-2009 |
And there is- Our Body or Tent Houses the following in the following order. Body ---> Soul ----> Spirit So it's like having a Circle for the Body followed by a Circle for the Soul Followed by a Circle for the Spirit all one within the other- large to smaller. The Body is of course what we use to experience this world, it is our interactive part that is able to experience things from the outside. The Soul is to be broad our personality. It is made up of our mind (what we think) our will (what we choose) and our emotions (what we feel). Our Spirit born dead in sin is influenced by our body, and our soul. That's why it's very interesting to think about how God draws us to himself. One could say until we are born again our Spirit is quite happy in its current state, for it is not alarmed by any of the data it's receiving from the Body or the Soul. However once we are Born of God, our Spirit is brought back to life and suddenly our Soul and our Spirit can be at odds. Of course as long as we listen and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit we will find safety and security in Him. We become children of God. However as I'm sure you've noticed since you've been Born Again your reborn spirit recoils at a great many of things that you do in your body when you listen to your soul and it's not aligned with the Spirit. I could go on and on, I should probably work on a blog post about it because it fascinates me. I'll look into it more. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7293 Registered: 9-2006 |
It is interesting isn't it? Id the spirit and soul used synonymously in the verse I gave? It brings up deeper questions the more one thinks about it. An interesting thing is that in the beginning God said Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:, Gods image to me is the trinity. So, supposedly, we are made up of body, soul and spirit, yet we are one which does, to me, resemble the trinity. The KJV usea the word 'Our' to describe what he is about to do. 'Let us' 'our image' Food for thought. River | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7294 Registered: 9-2006 |
Interestingly Paul talks about only two parts of us that I can remember, the flesh and the Spirit. I don't remember him using the word soul. | ||
| Jim02 Registered user Username: Jim02 Post Number: 1210 Registered: 5-2007 |
The soul is a unit. One and the same with or without the body. The body is a tent, the flesh that wars against the soul, the mind, the inner being, the lifeforce within us created and given by God. I am inconclusive as to the question of consciousness after death. However , I note that if the mind goes, so do our thoughts. If we are drunk, we get stupid. Our sense of judgement is impaired. When I sleep (at night), I lose some passage of time. When I fell and woke up on the ground. My memory was erased of the fall itself. I had no out of body experience. When alzhiemers strikes , or dementia. We lose continuity. Thus, the soul while it is in the body, are one and the same. So after all the damage is done in life and we pass away. One surmises that the lifeforce which is the pattern and memory of all that we were is preserved. If the soul survives, then we continue in that sense, and we are not a copy, or a recording, but the original life force that was given at conception. What I do not know is if we are conscious during the interim. That still remains a mystery to me. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 3733 Registered: 10-2004  |
River, Paul did mention both soul and spirit together in one verse:
Other than that, Paul only used the word "soul" (by itself) 4 other times! See here: http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=soul&version1=49&searchtype=all&bookset=10&limit=bookset (Bible Gateway allows you to search in only Pauline Epistles) Jeremy | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7299 Registered: 9-2006 |
Thanks Jeremy, yes I remember that now you mention it.  River |
