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Colleentinker
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Posted on Monday, January 09, 2012 - 3:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paul Carden sent us the following last week. He did not write it, but it is an amazing metaphor that he thought might be useful to us when we try to describe Adventist doctrine to people who don't understand it. He said this metaphor was actually written by Aaron Shafovaloff, a leading Christian apologist in Mormon outreach.

It was encouraging to me that Paul Carden has come to understand Adventism so well that he thought this metaphor for Mormonism might describe Adventism, too.

See what you think: I think it's brilliant.


quote:

"Official" Mormon [Adventist] doctrine is like a black hole that you can't see, that some people doubt is there, and that seems to be pulling and stretching everything around it. It's not clear what laws apply in the center. No light can escape. Different explanatory theories abound. And then there's the event horizon to worry about if you peer too closely.

No one actually lives in the black hole, but if you ask a galactic spokesman where the galaxy is located, he will give you the coordinates of its center without any map of the galaxy's other regions. A good tour guide (usually unauthorized) will give you the coordinates of a set of inhabited planets that you can actually visit.




Don't you love the last sentence about the unauthorized tour guides being able to point to the "inhabited planets", and don't you also love that when you ask insiders what Adventism is, they all point to the "black hole", although no one admits to "living there"?

Amazing.

Colleen
Cathy2
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Posted on Monday, January 09, 2012 - 9:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

:-)
River
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Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 3:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Evangelical to Adventist: Why did the chicken cross the road?

Adventist: What road? There is no road.

Mormon: There are five female chickens across the road.

Jehovah's Witness: To be part of the 144 thousand chickens who will later return to this side of the road.

New age: it is irrelevant whether the chicken crossed the road or not.

Catholic: The chickens mother is over there.

Former Adventist: Lets examine the chicken to see if in fact he crossed the road or not.

:-)River
River
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Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 3:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry...I'm home with bad hip pain and I have to find ways of amusing myself today.
The pain is shooting down my leg and I can't sit or lay.
Please...don't shoot me! :-)
Colleentinker
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Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 4:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just so you don't cross the road, River!

Praying for your pain,
Colleen
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Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 7:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry, River! I have that, too in my right hip...it helps to lie down on my opposite side--does that give you any relief?

Thanks for the excellent metaphor post, Colleen.

River, here's another way an adventist would answer the riddle: That isn't a chicken, it's Fri-chick!
River
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Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 8:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No it doesn't help, the only thing that helps is heavy medication. I can only sit for a few minutes.

Forgot to thank Colleen for the Metaphor,I am so glad that Paul Carden finally came around to giving Adventism the attention it deserves.

We need more 'Never Beens' to pay attention to it and there are a few, but more writers and speakers are needed in this field, if for nothing else than to affirm the Former Adventist and to bolster them up with understanding.

The thing is though that you have to be willing to take the heat and feel alone. Not many people willing to do that.

I think the truth is, people like a comfortable religion, they like to sit in their comfortable pew every Sunday and if anyone rocks their little boat, they get all kinds of upset.

What it boils down too is if you are a weekend warrior, then you don't belong in this war because the devil will eat you up and spit out the seeds.
River
Skeeter
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Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 10:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

((( River))) praying for your pain to go away.
Mjcmcook
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Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 10:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

~River~

Praying for you~

~mj~
Flyinglady
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Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 1:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

River,
Praying for your pain to go far away.
Diana L
Gcfrankie
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Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 8:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

River I hope your hip pain is easing up. So along with the pain here is a big (((((((((HUG))))))) for you. Have you tried some heat on your hip? Sometimes heat will lessen the pain.
Gail
Gcfrankie
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Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 8:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I find that last sentence so amazingly true. After I left SDA and the church I started going to I talked to the pastor and he was so not interested like it won't touch me so I am not going to get involved. In other words not trying to right the wrong teachings someone has been taught. I have moved on since then and learning a lot more and the pastor is willing to sit down and work with me. Praise the Lord for leading my way to Him.
Gail
River
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Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 10:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you all for the prayers, doc said I have an inflamed sciatic nerve, got pill to reduce inflamation and pills to make me fly high.

Thank God for good pastors Gail, and there are many.
Hugs right back on ya.
River

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