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Ric_b
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Username: Ric_b
Post Number: 1703
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2012 - 6:38 pm: |     |
quote:he told me that the only reason we went 1-A-O was that as a Medic we could work on the Sabbath.
I have had a similar thought about the medical profession on the whole. If you choose the medical field, you are free to work on Sabbath if that is works best for your schedule. And, at a minimum, you don't have to worry about being forced to choose between your career and your Sabbath observance.
That might upset a number of people, but truly, how many SDA couples did you know where one of the two chose to work Sabbaths in a medical position (even though jobs were available in that field that didn't require regular Sabbath hours) because it allowed them to work different hours than their spouse so they wouldn't need to use a babysitter for the kids. |
River
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Username: River
Post Number: 7824
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 12:18 am: | |
Quote: They will be consumed by His Holiness and deception will be no excuse. We all need Christ's Righteousness only, to stand before God. Our righteousness is filthy rags.
CasyK, I believe both you and Rick are correct in a sense. As Rick says, we are saved individually, not what church they belong too.
The problem is, how many are saved by faith that remain in the Seventh Day Adventist church?
Is it then dependent on one being saved, then coming out of the cult? It is a sticky question.
I believe you hit on the basic problem for them, Gods Spirit, and he is Spirit and he is absolutely and completely Holy, for the ones who are not saved in any circumstance, will be consumed by his Holiness and those works will be burned up by that same Holiness, leaving them with neither root nor branch.
Fortunate, it's not us who make that decision, but for evangalistic purposes and prayer purposes I think it behooves us to assume that the person still in Adventism is not saved, but have been deceived.
We are not talking about what it takes to be saved, but what lives are at risk and there, I believe, are far too many former Adventist Christians who have been saved and with good intentions, still will not face up to the fact that their husbands, wives, and responsible children are not saved who remain in the Adventist church.
They have a hard time facing up to the facts because they love their loved ones.
A wife might say of a husband who remains in the Adventist church. Lets say she goes to a Christian church, and he goes to the Adventist church and she maintains that, "I live with him and he is a good God fearing man."
It leaves that wife with a hard roe to hoe, but out of respect for God and the reality of God, it would be best to not get comfortable with that idea.
As Jude writes, Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
I know myself, I have to constantly remind myself to take the word of God seriously and as Casey says, "They will be consumed by His Holiness and deception will be no excuse. We all need Christ's Righteousness only, to stand before God. Our righteousness is filthy rags."
While we all want to get the right message across on the forum, it is much more reason for none of us to be presumptive, but be sober in our thinking.
River |
Ric_b
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Username: Ric_b
Post Number: 1705
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 7:27 am: | |
quote:The problem is, how many are saved by faith that remain in the Seventh Day Adventist church?
The question might be how long they remain. From testimonies here that range is considerable, but I believe in God's timing (where a thousand years is like a day). Maybe I am relying too heavily on personal experience, but I believe that God knows when the best time for you to leave is and it would be virtually unbearable for a believer to remain beyond that point.
I don't believe our job is to drag or coerce people out of SDAism. We pray for them, we proclaim the Gospel to them. If they already know the Gospel, who doesn't want to hear it again? If they don't know the Gospel, they are unbelievers. Either way our job is simple. Proclaim the Gospel! Once they become believers, the indwelling Spirit takes care of the "exit strategy". As I discussed the other day, I believe God uses us along the way to instruct and to break down the theological barriers that ensnare. Realizing that we aren't responsible for the timing, only the message is very freeing. |
Asurprise
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Username: Asurprise
Post Number: 2501
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 11:06 am: | |
The SDA church teaches a false gospel. They teach that a person will be saved if they are in the process of "pushing out their sins by Jesus' power."
They teach that no one can know they're saved now. I figured (when I was an SDA) that if I couldn't remember my sins after the death penalty was passed, then I could know that "probation" had passed and that I could finally know I was saved.
If an unsaved person embraces this notion - that part of salvation is up to them - then they aren't saved, because only those who accept Jesus will be saved. A person isn't accepting Jesus when they think it's partly up to them.
It's amazing all the religions that the devil has come up with, to keep people from taking that all-important step of accepting Jesus! |
River
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Username: River
Post Number: 7825
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 11:14 am: | |
I believe that's about right Ric_b. |
Ric_b
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Username: Ric_b
Post Number: 1706
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 11:15 am: | |
Asurprise,
You are correct that the SDA church proclaims this false teaching. But you are incorrect if you are concluding that every person who is in the SDA church believes this false teaching. |
Asurprise
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Username: Asurprise
Post Number: 2502
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 12:05 pm: | |
I'm not saying that every person in the SDA church embraces this false teaching. Have you read Dale Ratzlaff's book about how he got saved and later kicked out of the SDA church? He was an SDA pastor who was saved. I don't want to say too much about it, in case someone here wants to order the book - on a link from this site - but I just want to say that he learned the truth about salvation once, when he thought he was dying, he got saved and preached good, grace-filled sermons to his SDA congregations. (I loved grace-filled sermons when I was an SDA, but I still didn't get it.)
I think it's safe to say, though, that the majority - probably the VAST majority - of SDAs are lost! (That's why I said: "If an unsaved person embraces this notion - that part of salvation is up to them - then they aren't saved, because only those who accept Jesus will be saved.) |
Ric_b
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Username: Ric_b
Post Number: 1707
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 12:44 pm: | |
quote:I think it's safe to say, though, that the majority - probably the VAST majority - of SDAs are lost!
I think it is safest to conclude that we simply do not and can not know. It may be 1%, 50%, or 99% but regardless of what number it is, we are called to do the same thing. We are called to preach the Gospel, not forcible drag people out of a false church. If we do what we are called to do, we can rest in the assurance that God is taking care of what He promises. Salvation comes from knowing (having faith, placing your abiding trust) in Jesus Christ; it is not the result of leaving a false church. Someone can leave SDAism and not be saved; someone can be in SDAism and be saved. My only emphatic point is that we should be more focused on proclaiming the Gospel. |
Surfy
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Username: Surfy
Post Number: 779
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 7:33 pm: | |
At what point do we conclude that members of a particular church are not saved...just because of their affiliation with that church?
Mormons? JW's? Catholics? Members of the Westborough Baptist Church, etc.?
It looks like the thread has switched directions but I started it so it is cool. Carry on.
Surfy |
River
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Username: River
Post Number: 7827
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2012 - 4:19 am: | |
Maybe thats why its called a thread, it starts on one end and ends up on the other end.
It always amuses me a little bit when we get around to deciding whether its alive or dead.
That reminds me of this little story.
Dead Duck
A woman brought a very limp duck into a veterinary surgeon. As she lay her pet on the table, the vet pulled out his stethoscope and listened to the bird's chest.
After a moment or two, the vet shook his head sadly and said, "I'm so sorry, your Duck has passed away."
The distressed owner wailed, "Are you sure?
"Yes, I am sure. The duck is dead," he replied.
"How can you be so sure," she protested. "I mean, you haven't done any testing on him or anything. He might just be in a coma or something."
The vet rolled his eyes, turned around and left the room, and returned a few moments later with a black Labrador Retriever.
As the duck's owner looked on in amazement, the dog stood on his hind legs, put his front paws on the examination table and sniffed the duck from top to bottom. He then looked at the vet with sad eyes and shook his head.
The vet patted the dog and took it out, and returned a few moments later with a cat.
The cat jumped up on the table and also sniffed delicately at the bird from head to foot. The cat sat back on its haunches, shook its head, meowed softly and strolled out of the room.
The vet looked at the woman and said, "I'm sorry, but as I said, this is most definitely, 100% certifiably, a dead duck."
Then the vet turned to his computer terminal, hit a few keys and produced a bill, which he handed to the woman.
The duck's owner, still in shock, took the bill.
"$150!" she cried - "$150 just to tell me my duck is dead?!!"
The vet shrugged. "I'm sorry. If you'd taken my word for it, the bill would have been $20 but with the Lab Report and the Cat Scan, it's now $150.00.
Common sense tells me the Duck is dead, but there's always someone who insists on a Lab report and a Cat scan. 
River |
Asurprise
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Username: Asurprise
Post Number: 2507
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2012 - 12:36 pm: | |
River; that's true! That's a good answer to Surfy. If a person is dead spiritually, they're not saved! |
Nowisee
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Username: Nowisee
Post Number: 1103
Registered: 5-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - 6:40 pm: | |
LOL, River! |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 13538
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - 10:02 pm: | |
Colleen |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 9703
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2012 - 5:34 pm: | |
River, I first heard that about the lab report and cat scan when my Mom was dying at home. My brother David was standing at the foot of her bed telling all kinds of jokes and that was one of them.
I still enjoy hearing it.
Diana |
River
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Username: River
Post Number: 7841
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2012 - 3:19 am: | |
Dianna,
I'm sorry that reminded you of such a sad and emotionally charged time.
When Mum died I couldn't be there or even attend the funeral due to inclement weather, the result of living clean across country in deep winter.
I'm glad you could be there for her. Mums are special people.
River |
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