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Lifeanew
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Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 11:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just talked to an SDA relative this evening that hadn't gone to the church in years. She started going again because the local SDA pastors wife has a severely handicap child. My relative also has a handicap child. Didn't EGW say that handicap children would be as they never were? If so, does anyone know where EGW says this?
Mjcmcook
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Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2012 - 7:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

~Lifeanew~

I searched for references to your question several months ago and came up with the statement you are referring to in a copy of the "Youth Instructor" dated July 23, 1863~ it was an article that used this belief in a story about such a child.

Of course this belief probably is in one of her many books; but with an ouline search this is what I came up with.

I grew up as adventist, and behind "closed doors", people would whisper this belief when they found out about such child.

Once again, adventists cannot run away from the "Prophet" they have chosen to follow.

An old saying goes like this~"in for a penny, in for a pound."! I think this is the way it goes!

~mj~

(Message edited by mjcmcook on March 25, 2012)
Jeremy
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Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2012 - 3:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MJ,

I was not able to find any issues of the Youth's Instructor from 1863. I think you meant the July 23, 1963 issue (which is available here: http://www.adventistarchives.org/docs/YI/YI19630723-V111-29__C.pdf) Do you remember which article it was?

I did come across an interesting little article while looking at the July, 1862 issue (http://www.adventistarchives.org/docs/YI/YI18620701-V10-07__C.pdf). Here are some excerpts from it:


quote:

Frank and Johnny:
OR THE LITTLE SWEARER REPROVED.

"FRANK, you shouldn't swear," said Johnny
to a little school-fellow with whom he was playing.
"Why not," replied Frank.
"Because that is breaking the commandments.
It is wrong to break the commandments."
" Why, no ; the commandments are all abolished."
"No, they are not; for the New Testament says
one jot or one tittle shall not pass from the law till all be fulfilled."
" But they have all been fulfilled."

Such was the conversation between these two little
boys of perhaps ten years of age. One tries to
keep the holy Sabbath, while the other, perhaps
never heard a word about the present truth in his
life. Where this little fellow, who, at so early an age was taking God's name in vain, got his no-law arguments, is a mystery ; but my impression is, he got them where those of larger growth get theirs, who preach that God's holy law is done away.

This was not the deepest impression it made upon
my mind, for I thought how fast ungodly principles
are fastening themselves upon the young, even upon
little children.

I am glad that children who keep the Sabbath
love better things, and even try to vindicate the
commandments of God; but it is not safe at all for
them to play with such wicked children; as in the
case above mentioned, this little opposer and swearer turned upon his reprover with another oath.

If children do not learn to swear, lie and steal,
some other sin will lurk around, which will at last bite like a serpent and sting like an adder.

[...]

I know a little boy whose example I have wished might be before every little boy who reads the Instructor. I do not think this child, under any circumstances, would disobey his parents.

[...]

Dear children: Go to God and ask for grace to
shun sin and do right, in these days of peril and
sin. Many snares beset your feet, but you may
shun them by loving God and your parents, and at
last escape all these little dangers and have a place in the city of God. Will you try?




Jeremy
Mjcmcook
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Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2012 - 7:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jeremy~

The cover page of the "Instructor" you found at your link is not the same as the one I referred to. The cover page I saw was one showing people in white clothing at what looks like a river, being baptized.

Today I am using my computer at home; when I was researching the subject in question, I was at my daughter's where they have a computer that is newer and the words can be more easily read. I wish I could remember the name of the article but I cannot at this time~ sorry about that.

This being said, I imagine that you know the statement that egw made regarding slaves? Spiritual Gifts vol 1, p. 193 she says "...He lets him be as though he had never been...". God could not take them to heaven because of their condition and ignorance in learning about salvation.

Perhaps this is where many sda's, myself included, got the idea that egw also included disabled children in this same category.

I respect the fact that one should be careful in quoting a "source"~ I must be vigilant about what I share in regard to what I heard and learned as an adventist.

~mj~
Jeremy
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Posted on Monday, March 26, 2012 - 4:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MJ,

The cover for July 23, 1968 seems to fit the description you gave: http://www.adventistarchives.org/docs/YI/YI19680723-V116-29__C.pdf I couldn't find the story you were referring to, though.

Jeremy
Skeeter
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Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 12:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As a SDA I had always just assumed (as I still do ) that those with mental or physical infirmities would at Jesus return be given perfect bodies and would finally be able to see, hear and understand why they were chosen to live this life on earth in the way they were. I dont remember being actually TOLD anything about it though.

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