| Author | Message | ||
| Colleentinker |
Valerie, I will also pray for you and your family. I know from experience at home and in the classroom how CRAZY the ages 13-15 or 16 can be. There are days I've felt like I'm losing something--my mind, my persepctive, my self--I really praise God that he loves our children even more than we do. And I also praise him for sending mentors and other adults who care into their lives. Praising God for his sovereign will and love, Colleen | ||
| Chyna |
hi, first, please pray i find the bible that i usually do my devotions from, I can't find it and although I can read the bible online, it doesn't feel the same. second, please pray for my ex, and for my own personal peace about him. i fall into these relapses where i just feel so hopeless, but I know that Jesus Christ is our hope, but I need to feel it in my heart too. i know many of you probably feel the same way about your loved ones still spiritually blinded. thank you, Chyna | ||
| Denisegilmore |
My prayers will go up for you and your loved ones Chyna. May God give you HIS peace, Denise | ||
| Valm |
Chyna, Your on my list. God will take care of him in his own good time. Enjoy your day with peace and anticipation of what new adventures God may bring your way. Valerie | ||
| Chyna |
desperately seeking prayer ... hi, i just had a volatile conversation with a lapsed mormon. she was 21, already had a 2 1/2 year old, another one on the way, unmarried, and had dropped out of school 15. i asked if she was happy and she said she was very happy. i didn't realize she was a mormon until we started talking about beliefs, she was like: you keep your beliefs, I'll keep mine. nothing has made me more aware of the need to be BOLD about the gospel of Christ than my recent reading of Left Behind by LaHayes Jenkins. That we can't be afraid of people finding us obnoxious because if they don't know the message of the gospel then they'll be left behind. terrifying and exhiliriating sp? (the book and this recent conversation) um, so please pray for her, she got very angry at me. but i could sense that Satan had a really strong hold on her, and her spiritual blindness. i'd like to really encourage everyone here to make good use of the prayer topic here (as i have heehee), because there really is power in prayer. please tell me about your loved ones whether unsaved or in Adventism so I can pray for them too. love, Chyna | ||
| George |
Chyna, I sure hope you don't really we should become obnoxious in telling others about Christ, as no one likes an obnoxious person, not even one that is obnoxious. George | ||
| Allenette |
Chyna: I have no idea who you turn to for advice in the real world, (mom, dad, etc.) and on here, everything seems to turn out roses......but...here's some TUFF LOVE....for YOU: BUTT OUT. Forget praying....any single parent with a coupla kids has a rough way to go. You can pray all you like and that situation aint gonnna change for a LONG WHILE...hopefully you can see that and wont replicate it. Forget the Left Behind books. Get a life and get on with it. Anyone on here disagree? ;-) | ||
| Denisegilmore |
Allenette, I do. Maybe you ought to "Butt Out", since you are the one that doesn't believe. Or perhaps, you might try praying and being a little more gentle to the one that is hurting. Words of "tuff love", as you call it, in this thread, were not warranted. Allow others the same freedom you allow yourself. Also, if you would like further dialogue in this matter with me, my email address is Lampdot@aol.com This is the prayer thread, please respect the beliefs of others and take this up with me via email, not in this thread. Chyna, no matter what anyone else says to you, know that I will be praying for this young gal. As to the 'left behind' books and all that, I have no clue what's really going to happen in the end. All we can do is pray. Everyday pray. Prayer is powerful. I'm with you on this one sister, May God Bless you richly, Denise | ||
| Cindy |
Chyna, Hi! You mentioned that this girl said she was "very happy"... Perhaps the timing was not right in presenting the gospel message. I do think we have to cultivate a HUMBLE boldness and not be obnoxious...Discussing beliefs as equals without an air of spritual superiority and piousness is a hard thing to do! Especially when we see the great news of the gospel compared with other views... I know I have dealt with people in my life who feel that I'm hopelessly lost in my way of thinking; that they alone have it right...and it makes me just want to get away from them fast! God bless you in your dedication to Him... Grace always, Cindy | ||
| Cindy |
Allenette, Hi! I can agree with part of your post. :-)) Sometimes it is good to just mind our own business...I pray (yes I do!) to know when to speak and when to keep quiet... This discussion reminds me of Dave Barry's "Things It Took Me 50 Years To Learn": "People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them." Still, I do believe that the gospel of Christ makes the most sense, at least to me, in viewing the sufferings of this life... and whatever eternity there may be... As far as prayer goes, I've wondered about it a lot. To me, the changes are more in ME than in the circumstances. I know my circumstances change; but they have rarely been what I have wished or prayed for. I believe God always answers my prayers, but obviously not the way I plan...I'm learning to just pray to trust Him to be with me always. I know that prayer is just a continual part of my life, like breathing. You may say it is a "crutch"... and I would agree with that! I would probably never be able to have survived the last few years without meditation & prayer, (and Scripture...) Keep posting here! Grace always, Cindy | ||
| Maryann |
Hi Chyna, It might be the best idea to establish a friendship/relationship with a person before establishing specific beliefs. When it comes to the human thingy, it sometimes is prudent to do the "show me/show them." If someone that I'm not particularly familiar with, tells me of a fantastic way of training a horse that I'm not familiar with, I may want to establish a relationship with this person first and also see how he operates before I'm willing to "listen" to him. Just a bit of my perspective of the human-ness of "our" old human natures;-) :):):)....Maryann | ||
| Valm |
Dear Allenette, People come to these posts for support. I find your tough love not love at all but comes across to me as angry and hateful. Chyna is genuinely concerned for this person and asks our prayers. She may or may not have approached the situation well, it is not for me to judge and it is not for any of us to speak so cruelly towards her. While I do not read the Left Behind series for personal reasons I have many friends whom I respect who have found the message powerful and helpful in their lives. This is a part of Chyna's life and to say "get a life" is condescending and insulting. A few days ago you came across hard on me suggesting that I did not respect the deep held personal beliefs of people who believe the earth is flat. But yet you criticize this young lady for her concern for another as well as what growth she obtains from the left behind series. Do you lash out at who ever seems vulnerable at the moment? Really Allenette, I believe that people should be able to share their opinions but I believe you cross the line into attacking others. Has it occured to you that you just might be damaging others in the process? Chyna, I will certainly pray for this young lady. Having a toxic faith like Mormonism (And yes it is toxic, I will repsect my Mormon friends but have deep concerns for them) and then getting oneself in the situation of being a single parent is a mind boggling mess. Prayer does turn things around and we might have to wait a long time to see results but many miracle happen to us day by day that are not apparent now. There is now clinical studies which substantiate that prayer helps in healing people EVEN when they did not know they were being prayed for. We can not underestimate the collective energy that occurs when we all pray for one another. Take good care Chyna, and keep coming to us for help. I am a fan of yours and wish to here from you as often as you wish to post. Valerie | ||
| Valm |
George, I will say something to you also. Chyna came to this post asking for prayers, not a critique of her words. She never did suggest that we should be obnoxious, she suggested that sometimes sharing our faith is perceived as such. It is a tremendous challenge for all of us to learn to share our faith in such a way that people are drawn to it and not offended by it. I for one struggle with this on a day to day basis. Pray for her George and give her words of encouragement. You are probably old enough to be a grandparent and you are behaving less than nuturing to a wonderful young lady. You are capable a lot better behavior than that. Now again George, PLAY NICE. Valerie | ||
| Maryann |
Val!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Yikes!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Valm |
That's right MaryAnn I have a definite bug up my bonnet. It is hard for me to come to this site and feel that if I do not word something perfectly I will be subject to criticism. I also feel that both Allenette and George go way out of line in what and how they say things to people. I hesitate to even post because of the dysfuntional and critical way the conversation turns. Chyna did not come to us or them to be rebuked or criticized and I will for once call a spade a spade. If people feel they can talk to myself or to others in such a way they can expect that I will speak up. This is the last I will speak of this matter on this thread at this time as this is a thread for prayer requests and should be honored as such. But you can bet the farm that if anyone ever comes across in a contemptous manner to someone who is asking for our prayers, I will be right here to let them know they are OUT OF LINE. Valerie | ||
| Denisegilmore |
God Bless you Valerie!!! Denise, your sister in Christ Jesus. | ||
| Maryann |
Hi Val, Spanking accepted;-)))))))) But, you did miss my thought behind my expletive;-), but that is okay'-))) Have you had a chance to graze through the Nature of Christ thread? :):):)....Maryann | ||
| Valm |
Maryann, I have grazed through the first set but need to go through the archives. Will do that probably tomorrow night. Am having a dinner party in two hours but take breaks amongst the cooking and cleaning. I am looking forward to reading it. Valerie | ||
| Max |
Hi Allenette, Looks like you stirred things up a bit. ^^You can pray all you like and that situation aint gonnna change for a LONG WHILE.^^ How do you know? Max of the Cross | ||
| Allenette |
25 years ago, TOUGH LOVE was "invented" in liberal drug rehabilitation facilities to sort of abdicate the 60's influence of soft parents on their rebellious teens BAD HABITS. Those same bad habits have been softened up so those same people who F'd up, dont have to have some stigma attached to their behavior, and the resulting offspring unlike the previous generation. Do I believe in GUILT? YOUBETCHA! It kept me on the straight and narrow or made me medically responsible enough to not bring children into the world without a responsible daddy. The original subject of this thread had a woman with multiple kids involved. I said that her situation wont change due to prayer and I stand by that....what does MAx think will happen if somebody prays REALLY HARD? Prince Charming will come along and rescue them? Fat chance. Let's have a vote on whether people posting on here want warm and fuzzy or reality. If they vote for warm and fuzzy, I promise to delete this forum from my FAVORITES on my ISP. Allenette |
