| Author | Message | ||
| Lydell |
Pam, if there's a Vineyard church near you, you might check it out. They are open to the free expression of worship. We try to have all our songs ones that are sung directly to God rather than being about what He has done or will do. Even our Bible studies begin with a time of worship. It's amazing how just getting into worship puts everything back into perspective. | ||
| renie |
Hi Pam. . .your story about the speaking in tongues incident really brings back some sad memories to me. Back in the early 70's when I was living in Calif. I was allowed to visit several girls who were in the Calif. Womens' Institute (women's prison) at Frontera. One of the really sweet gals was also being visited by a Pentecostal minister who kept telling her she had to speak in tongues or she would not be able to fully receive God's blessings. She tried and tried, cried and cried but just couldn't make it happen. She was told she had no faith and had hidden sin she needed to get rid of. Finally, she just pretended to speak in tongues to be a part of the group. Nothing I could say consoled her. She wanted to belong to that group. That same pastor pointed his finger at that little group of women and told them that if any of them disagreed with him or cursed him, God would strike them dead. He told of an incident where a man had cursed him and the man fell to the sidewalk right in front of him and died. I was there and heard him. It made my skin crawl. Ordinarily, I am not very confrontive, but I caught him later and told him how dare he lie to those women to make them fear him; he just pointed his finger at me, said nothing and walked away. Sometimes finding a church is like going from one snake pit into another. The local non-denominational church in my small town prides itself in being a loving and accepting church, yet when the pastor's sixteen year old daughter got pregnant, not being married, the church fired the pastor. Loving wasn't it? renie Irene Longfellow ILongfelo@aol.com | ||
| jtree |
Tongue speaking seeking is same as faith plus something! Those of former Advent. Know what that is faith plus something else to obtain salvation. When one escapes one false system and puts themselves into another, then they are bouncing from false to false. But when you are freed, from the 'yoke of slavery' to a 'yoke of false tongue speaking', why seek something you can't do? Tongues today is a learned behavior. I have some sources dealing with this movement. I'm not to debate the tongue movement here, but this movement is just as 'dangerous' as any system as some or most here have come out of. I have studied the charismatic movement and I'm convinced it also teaches "another gospel". | ||
| Linda |
I have been thinking about the tongues issue from reading some other message boards. It seems to me that the Word speaks of the gift of tongues but it does not emphasize it any more than the other gifts. The very last verse of I Cor 11 after all the explanation of the "gifts" is summed up with a leading verse " but show I unto you a more excellent way." And then comes the beautiful Twelth chapter, the Love chapter which kind of puts things like tongues into perspective. Dont you think? | ||
| Colleentinker |
Thank you, Linda. I have become convinced that Satan counterfeits everything positive that God gives. That's why, along with all other gifts of God, the Holy Spirit is also counterfeited. I'm convinced their is a demonic charismatic movement. I'm also convinced, based on what I've read in the Bible, that there is a real manisfestation of toungues that is beyond the speaking of other languages. Paul even said he thanked God that he spoke in tonugues more than all of them. If there weren't something real about charismatic gifts, Satan would really have no need to counterfeit them. | ||
| Joni |
I too agree that there is a demonic movement going on. That there is a counterfit of the real. That all the gifts are to be in love and not one over another. That there is a real manisfestation of tongues that is beyond the speaking of other languages. I am thankful for all your wisdom. Just bringing this up and hearing what you all say has brought peace about this subject. I am continuing to wait upon the Lord and walk slowly. Thank you for this forum. When I was in adventism everything was in black and white. Everyone believed bascially the same. Now I find that I have to trust the Lord more. I just love it. I have learned to truly respect my friends with differing opinions, and have a wonderful relationship anyway. We have the freedom to agree to disagree and I learn so much and seek God's face in the differing opinion, and ask Him to change my thoughts if mine are wrong. God is gracious and so patient with me. Colleen you have such wisdom. I only "wish" I could meet you and your family. | ||
| Lydell |
Thanks Colleen you expressed it well. I Cor. 14:1 tells us "folow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy." It seems to me that if I desire something, then I am eventually going to ask for that thing. And I'm reminded of the verse that says, "you don't have because you don't ask." Maybe our hesitancy to ask is why we don't end up seeing the gifts moving in our own lives. |
