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Archive through September 5, 1999J. Alan Nash18 8-29-99  7:51 am
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Archive through February 16, 2000Gary Mayo19 2-16-00  12:17 pm
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puzzled
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2000 - 11:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Disturbed is a good word here.
Prayerful Spirit
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2000 - 6:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Everyone can weigh in on one side or the other. Pick whom ye shall serve. There is a way that looks correct to a person, but that path is certain death.

I do not understand why it has been so hard for you to forgive? The many people that you have locked out of your life? Why? It is not to late to reach out to these people and forgive them. What will be harder, forgiveness, or cursing God as you sit in the heat wondering why you are in that spot because you proclaimed the Gospel? You will cry out to God that you served him and that you were a follower and a doer, yet you will then remember that their were a group of people in your life that you could not forgive. Your harbored thoughts against these people were your downfall. Do you think Heaven has sidewalks on both sides of the streets so if you see someone coming you have not forgiven, you can just switch sides of the street to let them pass?

If you will not forgive, you will not pass into the Kingdom. Everyone there will love God and everyone else there, without question. Your only chance is to forgive, and do so completely.

Yes, you could say I am pressing this issue, I know that. But it is because I care, and you are so wrong it will cost you eternal life. Just because you act religious on the net penning letters to strangers about Christ, does not give you the keys to the gates. Forgive everyone in your life, and do it while you still can. Those are the people that you need to write letters to.
Cindy
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2000 - 6:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To all those 'conflicting spirits' posting now,

Forgiveness is not forced!! It is "the divine miracle of GRACE"!!

And it seems that you have not seen or experienced this PEACE that only God can give...

I pray for you to be open to this GRACE in which we ALL now stand!! We all need each other, to encourage and guide each other gently... not put down with accusations and threats of hell-fire!

I pray that this realization of God's forgiveness will melt away any accusatory spirit of anger and self-justification that you may have. "FOR HE, HIMSELF, IS OUR PEACE..." (Eph 2:14)

Always Grace,
Cindy
Once troubled
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2000 - 7:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gary,

It is not for you to take all the sins of others on your shoulders, that is Christs job, and He already did it. So I guess you could say you are feeling guilty for nothing.

And who says you aren't forgiven, you probably have been, but you have to realize that sometimes people put up a wall to protect themselves from someone they feel has ofended them. We are all human after all.

It is alright to feel bad for those who you think will be lost, but be careful you are not judging them as there is no way you could know they are lost, and you could be getting all worked up for nothing.

Like the old song says "Don't worry be happy" you can be you know, just don't worry about those things you can do nothing about.

Troubled no more
Coincidental Spirit
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2000 - 1:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I found this on another SDA forum page, and it is totaly related to what we are facing here. Coincidence? God knows how and when to direct our feet, if we will let Him.

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But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and Pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Matthew 5:44,45

And when ye stand Praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespassess. Mark 11:25,26

For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Matthew 6:14

Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink:... Romans 12:20

But love ye enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Be ye therefore mericiful, as your Father also is merciful.
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Luke 6:35-38

Say not thou, I will recompense evil; but wait on the Lord, and he shall save thee.
Proverbs 20:22

Have a Wonderful Weekend! God Bless Each of You! Love & Prayers, San**
Gary Mayo
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2000 - 3:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Chyna:

Are you the young lady I sent to this site a month or so ago from the SDA-EGW Historical Society?

Your problems are such that you are facing a life long challenge if you should marry this person. I say this because inside us all is this person that we have become that never will completely change from the way we were raised. There comes a time when your desires will pull you back ever so slightly toward what you were when you were a child. And your gentelman friend will also return, to some degree, to where he once felt fostered and safe. Am I saying every person raised SDA will always return to SDAism sooner or later? Yes and No. The Scriptures tell us that people do change. We can and must become new creatures, the Bible says, yet, their remains a fabric of our past that stays with us and is so deep that NOTHING can move it or remove it.

The person we are and the past we have is like a deep tatoo with a hot, burning cattle brand placed top dead center over it. We are marked for life, and at some point we tend to return to things of the past. Some do this natural return in a major, complete way, and some do it in such small steps, the movement is almost impersceptable.

Does God wish you to help this person to see the errors of Adventism? If He does, it will not be a short class with you as the instructor for a few short days or weeks or even months. What you are embarking on is a life-long journey that will be filled with moments when you will wonder how you ever got involved in such a hard, long and difficult task. There will ALWAYS be times when you are redirecting him and he is redirecting you, and the movements will be in opposite directions - That will cause friction. IT WILL HAPPEN! Your best times will be no better than your best times now, and your worst times could be a lot worse and more frequent than they are now.

I have painted a picture of provable work, trials and hardship. Are there people that marry outside the faith of their childhood and have few problems? Maybe, buy very few people are that blessed. Marriage is a lot of work and the fewer problems you have going in, the better.

I am as anti-sda as anyone in this forum or possibly anyone on the face of this planet. However, the fact remains, that I have been affected and changed by something I wish I could be completely rid of, yet I cannot shake every aspect of the dammage I have suffered. Your friend supports Adventism, and he always will, to some degree because we always are affected by the journey we have taken.

Blessings to you in your choice of husbands.

On a second note: If you decide to make a commitmant to this man, & I know somehow you will, do not look back. March straight ahead and let NOTHING stop you. Commit to him 100% for LIFE. If you cannot do this, do not marry anyone. The divorce rate is 50%. This should mean nothing to you. You CANNOT use this "out". Ever.

God bless you. Gary Mayo <><
Gary Mayo
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2000 - 3:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HOW WONDERFUL!! This new version of DISCUS lets us type fish. <>< <>< <>< COOL!

It is the little things that keep me going.
Lydell
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2000 - 7:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Gary! You gave some good advice there to Chyna.

I'd like to comment on one thing you said tho, about our being marked for life by our past. Yes it is true that those things that we have been through do remain always as a part of us.

However, it is as we are able to forgive others for hurts they have caused to us, and ask God's forgiveness for our attitudes toward the offending people and for allowing the hurt to become an idol (after all, anything in our lives that we allow to be bigger than the Lord we have set up as an idol), that we are able to be healed.

WHEN we are willing to open up to this work of His, He reinterprets our past experiences. For example, think of what happened to Joseph. Rather than continually dwelling on what his brothers had done to him, He turned it over to the Lord and allowed the Lord to show him that He could bring good from anything at all. His choices were to wallow in misery or give it up and let the Lord make something out of it.

All that said, I agree most hardly with you that it is a mistake of huge proportions to go into a marriage when you already see serious potential problems. Melding a life together with someone is difficult enough without adding spiritual conflict into the equation! While God can and does reinterpret our past, we certainly can't look at someone and make an acurate prediction of whether or not they will get a grip on their personal issue. And we certainly can't do it for them! Oh that we could!
Max
Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2000 - 8:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello, everyone!

I'm ba-a-a-ak!

Just got a new Mac. (No jokes about "the
Maxintosh," Maryann!) And I find the Internet
hookup is superfast -- 9 minutes. I'm doing
this from my motel room, but will be in my new
digs by next Sunday, September 17.

Great to be back!

Max
Maryann
Posted on Friday, September 15, 2000 - 11:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Max:);),

Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.....ally, you're baaaaaaaack:):)!

As to making fun of your Max opps Mac 'puter. Absolutely not!!!!! I have NOTHING baaaaaaad to say about Max/Macs right now!!

Till just a while ago, I had NON-Mac 'puter's scattered all over my house. Got the old one going, but not mine!!!! Sooooo, right now Mac looks good!!!

When my problems are fixed, I'll be ready to put down Mac again:):) I found a 'puter Doc that is VERY good. I'll share his name with you should you ever need MacHelp. (I can't think of anything should you need MaxHelp though;-)

Let's all encourage Ken to answer Bill's 3 simple questions.

Maryann

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